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Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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So I fit right between Generation X and Y, depending on which timeframe reference used. I mention this as context because it feels as though I've had a first-hand view of public and private education trends. Also, a chance to see how the parents of friends and other students behaved.

Is there some logic and basis for this person's perspective? Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of anecdotes from her career - but I also categorize Stanford as an outlier of access. As in, to get in typically (but not always) entails much parental investment and, well, access to resources. Could a person who worked at a troubled youth center tell stories of a lack of parental involvement or outright neglect? Probably.

Both are significant issues regarding the health and future of society in the US: each group needs to find a place in the working world. If neither is prepared, then what will happen to the traditional relationship between employer and employee? Can new hires adapt, or will they commit career suicide?

To me, "helicopter parenting" is an indicator of the selfishness that pervades a select cohort of parents. Successful. Relatively affluent. A sense of entitlement that comes from not having to do without as a baseline, and furthermore, is used to being able to bend the will of those with less power. How did I come up with this perspective? I've worked for them.

This cohort is full of Senior Vice Presidents and Managing Directors. They work for "important companies" doing "important things" and therefore feel they are, well, quite important! Even when I was in charge of projects, their projects and in turn them, I was frequently rebuffed, ignored, or otherwise minimized by certain personalities. Those who had a different mentality? Gracious, collaborative, and, no lie, would sometimes send thank-you notes in gratitude. For many years, the self-centered outlook has been rewarded, and framing it as such in a child development process is consistent with the behavior noted in the article.

It's one thing to have high standards. It's another thing to be so afraid of failure or short-comings that the worry gets manifested in mental health issues. Looking good on paper is actually quite easy to do with the right means. Becoming a well-rounded individual with hobbies and stories of learning from life by working, getting perspective, and occasionally screwing up - hopefully not on the scale of jail - isn't easily quantified in a "how to raise a kid in the modern US" book...cough Tiger Mom cough...there's no manual except the one each family writes for themselves. That might sound wishy-washy, but it's a reasonable outlook when considering the haves, the have nots, and those who "overcome" their environment, whether over-interested or completely disinterested upbringings.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So now getting into a top college is more important than being a functional person? Failing when your an adult is more than getting a bruised knee: It's getting stuck in a job you hate, ending up in a bad marriage and becoming sick/obese because you don't know how to take care of yourself. All of those things happen because people don't know what works for them . The reason they don't know that is because other peopl…

It's not evident that so called "helicopter parenting" and getting into a top college causes any of the above. First and last are anti-correlated with it, and I wouldn't be surprised if the second is too. Obviously some people overdo it, but superior life outcomes and being a functional adult seem to go with heavily involved parenting.

Heavily involved parenting doesn't mean helicopter parenting and thats something thats very important to understand.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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post #13

The idea that "today's youth" are more fragile than the youth of yore seems to be a growing meme. I do believe that there is a rise in mental health issues among young adults, but there are many potentially interacting causes. I haven't read the book in question, but I hope that anyone who tackles this subject addresses all the possibly relevant social phenomena before pinning it all on one root cause. Some things I…

> The tightening economic climate and increasing difficulty of staying in the middle class... > But now a majority of people of all socioeconomic brackets yearn for a middle-class existence...

There is no middle class. This framing is itself toxic.

There are only people who have to work for a living (i.e. the working class), and people for whom paid labor is optional due to accumulated capital of various forms (for simplicity, let's call them the rich.)

Focusing on distinctions between substrata of the working class mainly benefits the rich.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting your kids into Stanford has nothing to do with helicopter parenting and I think you are missing the bigger point. The failing that you do when you are 6 is very different from the one you do when you are 16 or 26, they all accumulate and you can't redo your childhood. The things you learn when you are 6 and 16 are closer to the competition you are in when you are out of Stanford. Getting in to stanford is not…

So, what happens to those kids after Stanford, e.g., the ones who get CS degrees but were helicopter-parented? How do they compare to the kids who were equally interested in computers but "allowed to fail," e.g., did not have sparkling resumes and were rejected by Stanford?

They are competing against those who got into Stanford and wasn't helicopter parented.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

#45
please don't post these asinine articles here. there is not even an attempt to furnish data to back up any of its claims, including: (a) are parents today more involved in student's lives? where's the data besides anecdotal? (b) are children today less prepared for life? where's the data? and (c) are these causal?

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

#46

You know what. Those parents got those kids into Stanford. Obviously helicopter parenting is working for them. 90% of the decisions people make are based on the environments they are in. Today's environment is extremely competitive and the margin for error is lower. Nobody wants to be the parent of the most mentally stable Starbucks Barista... Get them into Stanford, then they have the rest of their life to "fail"

>>Nobody wants to be the parent of the most mentally stable Starbucks Barista... Get them into Stanford, then they have the rest of their life to "fail"

What a terribly insulting thing to say. Arrogance at its peak.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

#47

You know what. Those parents got those kids into Stanford. Obviously helicopter parenting is working for them. 90% of the decisions people make are based on the environments they are in. Today's environment is extremely competitive and the margin for error is lower. Nobody wants to be the parent of the most mentally stable Starbucks Barista... Get them into Stanford, then they have the rest of their life to "fail"

you've entirely missed the point. the article is making a claim on an entire generation of students and using stanford merely as an anecdotal sample

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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You know what. Those parents got those kids into Stanford. Obviously helicopter parenting is working for them. 90% of the decisions people make are based on the environments they are in. Today's environment is extremely competitive and the margin for error is lower. Nobody wants to be the parent of the most mentally stable Starbucks Barista... Get them into Stanford, then they have the rest of their life to "fail"

> Today's environment is extremely competitive and the margin for error is lower.

The margin for error is enormous, compared to previous generations. The probability that a mistake in life will lead you to die of starvation or cold is smaller than ever.

What I think is happening is that global communication is leading to increased status neurosis. Before, you could compare your kids to the neighbors'. Now you can compare them with everyone's kids, filtered through the lens of social media.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody wants to be the parent of the most mentally stable Starbucks Barista here's an important question to ask yourself: if you had to choose, would you rather your children be kind, or smart?

A kind idiot probably isn't of much use to society

Whereas unkind people are actively detrimental to society.

Re: Former Stanford dean explains why helicopter parenting is ruining a generation

#50
I agreed with most of Dean Lythcott-Haims' ideas except the following one:

> perhaps top-tier schools could agree to limit the number of such schools that each student may apply to, she said.

This would put financial aid candidates at a disadvantage, limiting any given HS senior's ability to collect scholarship offers and use them as leverage in getting the best possible deal at the best school they get into.

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