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Re: Ask HN: What visa do foreign YC founders use to stay in US beyond 3 months?

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>I hear that O-1 review has become less favourable to founders over the last 1-2 years. Is this because it wasn't intended for that purpose and the system is cracking down on founder's using it as such? I've looked into the O-1 based on the fact that I'm (legitimately) a top expert on a very niche field. If I ever move to the states I think it's my only possibility since I work for myself.

From what immigration lawyers have described to me, USCIS is cracking down and making the requirements for an O-1 (And EB-1, by proxy) more strict. What they want is "objectively verifiable" evidence in the form of press, recognition, awards, earnings, etc. What they value much less now than they used to is famous people telling them how awesome you are (e.g. getting your famous investor to write you a letter is less…

Strong ++ for talking with an immigration lawyer - the system is best navigated by those who know it well. My O1 application (early 2015) was 270+ pages and I also submitted references from multiple people/recognized experts as verification. The preparation took months and the processing took days.

Re: Ask HN: What visa do foreign YC founders use to stay in US beyond 3 months?

#52
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hear that O-1 review has become less favourable to founders over the last 1-2 years. Is this because it wasn't intended for that purpose and the system is cracking down on founder's using it as such? I've looked into the O-1 based on the fact that I'm (legitimately) a top expert on a very niche field. If I ever move to the states I think it's my only possibility since I work for myself.

From what immigration lawyers have described to me, USCIS is cracking down and making the requirements for an O-1 (And EB-1, by proxy) more strict. What they want is "objectively verifiable" evidence in the form of press, recognition, awards, earnings, etc. What they value much less now than they used to is famous people telling them how awesome you are (e.g. getting your famous investor to write you a letter is less…

Seriously? I'm one of those people who is here on an O-1 visa, which was obtained mostly through a series of recommendation letters from "famous" VCs and tech CEOs and a few press mentions. Looking into applying for the EB-1 at the moment. Would love to hear more about these changes, because I think I may be directly affected.

Re: Ask HN: What visa do foreign YC founders use to stay in US beyond 3 months?

#53
post #4

If they are from a "treaty country"[1] they could apply for an E-2[2] investor Visa given that at least 50% of the company is owned by entities from the treaty country (easy at that stage) and you could demonstrate a substantial investment in the company (if you are after the prototype stage shouldn't be a problem for a good visa lawyer). On your specific question, from feedback of my lawyer, if they have invested (r…

Having gone through this process, the stage at which you can apply for an E2 visa is after you have raised your Angel/Seed round. (to clear the 100k~300k bar. We talked to several people about this and the most commonly cited number was 300k investment, already residing in a US bank account)

Note that if you have a founding team with mixed US-foreign residency and you have convertible notes involved, you may have to write a convincing letter of explanation to the embassy representative demonstrating why the convertible notes are effectively equity, and how the ownership breakdown would materialize under various "future funding event" scenarios.

Re: Ask HN: What visa do foreign YC founders use to stay in US beyond 3 months?

#54

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I (Australian) had never heard of the E3 visa until just now - Interesting that it defines "Speciality work" as anything that requires a degree in the job description. I don't have one, but have been working professionally in this field for 4 years (I'm 22), and thus would not be eligible. To qualify for experience in lieu of a degree you require 3 years of work for each one year of university, so when I've been work…

I obtained an E3 without a degree via the relevant experience path. Somewhere filed away I have a letter from an organization accredited by the US government proclaiming that I have degree-level experience. I value it almost as much as the certificate I obtained in/for Canada confirming I have conversational level English skills.

Can you share the name of the organization where you got the accreditation please?

Re: Ask HN: What visa do foreign YC founders use to stay in US beyond 3 months?

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Not knowing what YC actually does, my first 2 thoughts were: O-1 and J-1 Visas (certainly there could be other solutions) O-1: Typically I would think of athletes/entertainers, in the US for competition/show/tour/etc... It may not apply to some young founder getting into YC who has no other track record of success; however, YC/Tech are politically connected so the mere fact one is accepted into YC, it might = extraor…

There are companies who are identified as providing J-1 visas and they charge $5k - $6k for the service http://j1visa.state.gov/participants/how-to-apply/sponsor-se...

We applied through Intrax (http://www.intraxinc.com/global-internships) and the cost for the 18 months was a little over $2k. Considering it also includes medical insurance, I'd say it's a pretty good deal.

The main requirement is the US company needs to have at least 25 full time employees -- not sure if YC qualifies.

Re: Ask HN: What visa do foreign YC founders use to stay in US beyond 3 months?

#57

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> since 'securing the border' is one of those fundamentally unattainable political goals prosecutors tend to throw the book at anyone they find engaged in this kind of activity because it plays well at oversight hearings. It's not a political ploy. If you try to make an end-run around the law, they're going to go after you to defend the rule of law. The law isn't a computer program that you can find a bug in and circ…

> If you try to make an end-run around the law, they're going to go after you ... It's not the prosecutor's or the judge's role to pass political judgement on the law. They don't have the resources to prosecute more than a minority of violations, and their choices many times are based on politics.

I agree, politics does definitely have a hand, especially at the state level where prosecutors are often elected officials. Judges too. I think that's an abomination to justice, but it's the unfortunate reality.

Even at the federal level, we see the Justice department "deprioritizing" enforcement of drug laws in states that have legalized marijuana. I agree with the outcome in that particular case, but it's definitely pushing the limits of the intended separation of powers.

Re: Ask HN: What visa do foreign YC founders use to stay in US beyond 3 months?

#58

Regardless of whether you're a YC founder or not, in general unless you're Canadian/Mexican and can qualify for a TN, or Australian and can qualify for an E-3, your only viable real option is an O-1 (Alien of Extraordinary ability). It's not an unachievable visa, and there are many founders who use it, but the requirements to demonstrate extraordinary ability are onerous. From USCIS: * Receipt of nationally or intern…

Not knowing what YC actually does, my first 2 thoughts were: O-1 and J-1 Visas (certainly there could be other solutions) O-1: Typically I would think of athletes/entertainers, in the US for competition/show/tour/etc... It may not apply to some young founder getting into YC who has no other track record of success; however, YC/Tech are politically connected so the mere fact one is accepted into YC, it might = extraor…

O-1: Typically I would think of athletes/entertainers, in the US for competition/show/tour/etc

No, athletes and entertainers are covered by the P-* visas:

P-1A Internationally recognized athletes.

P-1B Internationally recognized entertainers or members of internationally recognized entertainment groups.

P-2 Individual performer or part of a group entering to perform under a reciprocal exchange program.

P-3 Artists or entertainers, either an individual or group, to perform, teach, or coach under a program that is culturally unique.

Re: Ask HN: What visa do foreign YC founders use to stay in US beyond 3 months?

#59
post #22

Technically it isn't clear what visa foreign YC founders should use to stay in the US during the 3 months. Visa waiver[0] only allows for meetings, attending a conference, attend short-term unpaid training or negotiate a contract. Anything that really is 'working' - such as performing software engineering for a company (even your own) - is arguably outside of the visa waiver. I'm assuming YC doesn't want founders to…

If challenged I would stick it under "negotiating a contract".

"Yes, I am negotiating a contract for investment. The work I am doing is part of the negotiation"

Re: Ask HN: What visa do foreign YC founders use to stay in US beyond 3 months?

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I'd advise tempering your sense of humor on this topic, since attempts to do more-or-less what you're talking about above tend to culminate in long prison sentences for both operators and customers of such a service, unless it's based in a jurisdiction that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US. since 'securing the border' is one of those fundamentally unattainable political goals prosecutors tend to throw t…

> since 'securing the border' is one of those fundamentally unattainable political goals prosecutors tend to throw the book at anyone they find engaged in this kind of activity because it plays well at oversight hearings. It's not a political ploy. If you try to make an end-run around the law, they're going to go after you to defend the rule of law. The law isn't a computer program that you can find a bug in and circ…

>The law isn't a computer program that you can find a bug in and circumvent (well, most of the time).

The biggest exceptions are finance and tax law right? Seems bizarre that they are though.

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