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Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by kbenson »

Nadya wrote: post #21
rubbingalcohol wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt it, this isn't a drug cartel kingpin or mafia don we're talking about. He's just a troll.

Even low hanging fruits have connections. I think all the hush-hush on black markets creates as much danger as it creates safety in making such discussion taboo. The idea that only kingpins or the mafia have connections to hitmen is something that exists only in Hollywood media. I guess thinking about it further, the 'good' news is that if the criminal was successful at what he did and had a couple grand to hire a hi…

Let's not forget that getting someone in trouble and/or threatening harm/death are not the same thing as actually causing physical harm, and that is not the same as actually causing death. Just because someone is part of the underworld doesn't mean they have no qualms about ordering someone's death, and the only thing holding them back is the money.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by ta0n0n0 »

tptacek wrote: post #29
x5n1 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprising that a judge doesn't make a mistake all the freaking time. The legal system is a religion, it has little basis in reason.

Think in terms of branches of government. The executive branch investigates crimes, and the judicial adjudicates them. The exclusionary rule is designed to punish the executive branch for abusing the Fourth Amendment. But if it's the judge that's mistaken, it's the judicial, not the executive, at fault, and the incentive behind the exclusionary principle ceases to exist. (If it helps: the US's exclusionary rule is si…

Doesn't the fact that a judge's career depends on promotion by the executive branch create such an incentive?

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by busyant »

mmanfrin wrote: post #19

Payment information contained in those emails — including shipping and other account information — put the happy couple and their young son in Naples, Italy. I am not at all surprised they found him in Naples. That city is a festering breeding ground for scammers, fraudsters, mafiosi, Camorra, and every kind and type of unscrupulous person. I have never hated a city I've visited so much as Naples.

I was born in the US...Not to stereotype a whole city or region...but my parents grew up near Naples. A lot of their world view (and that of their napolitani immigrant friends) seems governed by a philosophy of "the world is out to scam you. Be very careful about the people you put your tust in"

Ive always found it difficult to reconcile the general optimism of American culture with their ever present wariness.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by nkurz »

tptacek wrote: post #40
pierrec wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Framing someone for dealing heroin is criminal and morally terrible. The guy's certainly paying and going to prison for it, and for his other crimes. This is justice doing its job. The question that I'm trying to ask is whether public shaming, especially to such a large audience, is really a civilized response. The consequences are also devastating, and reduce the possibilities of getting a second chance at life, som…

The real world isn't Reddit. There is no "no-doxxing" rule in reality.

Pierre isn't complaining that a "rule" has been broken. He's asking about the future benefit or harm to society caused by the public shaming.

If 'Fly' isn't going to be put to death (I don't think you are arguing for that?), there's a likelihood that someday he will emerge from jail and be expected to re-enter society. Pierre's question is whether the treatment of 'Fly' now puts the world in a better or worse position at that future point.

I think it's a legitimate concern, although I think the 'public shaming' is going to have much less impact than the years spent in foreign jail living only among other criminals. It doesn't strike me as likely that he will be in a position to re-enter society having seen the flaws of his ways.

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Post by balls187 »

Shebanator wrote: post #37
mmanfrin wrote: post #19

Payment information contained in those emails — including shipping and other account information — put the happy couple and their young son in Naples, Italy. I am not at all surprised they found him in Naples. That city is a festering breeding ground for scammers, fraudsters, mafiosi, Camorra, and every kind and type of unscrupulous person. I have never hated a city I've visited so much as Naples.

But they make great pizza there...

Not really.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by balls187 »

mmanfrin wrote: post #19

Payment information contained in those emails — including shipping and other account information — put the happy couple and their young son in Naples, Italy. I am not at all surprised they found him in Naples. That city is a festering breeding ground for scammers, fraudsters, mafiosi, Camorra, and every kind and type of unscrupulous person. I have never hated a city I've visited so much as Naples.

Season world traveler, and the only place I have been scammed was Naples. The waiter pulled the "show you the receipt then take it away."

I think I was out an extra 40 euro before I realized what happened.

Edit to explain the scam:

The waiter brings you the bill, and the price looks "reasonable" at first (maybe because humans are bad at money estimation). The waiter takes the bill away before you can inspect each charge and inquire. You pay and leave before realizing you were overcharged, and only as an afterthought do you realize.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by GPGPU »

klodolph wrote: post #10
icehawk219 wrote: post #7

One thing I'm curious about with stuff like this is how some of the information gets given to the authorities and how it's allowed to be used in court. I imagine I can't just walk into my local police station, file a report, and go "so I have this illegal copy of a database that let me illegally access someones email account that contained illegally acquired information ...". Wouldn't that be inadmissible in court ev…

This is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violat…

People have been arrested when burglars stole their computer and claimed to have found "child porn" on it.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/06/us/california-robbery-porn-bus...

4th amendment or not, you'd think that the "rules of evidence" and the word of a burglar would lend credence to the explanation that the burglar planted it to make himself seem more respectable in the eyes of the court.

It's outrageous in this case, as reported by CNN, that the burglars were not arrested. It means you can commit any crime as long as you plant some illegal porn!

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by mmanfrin »

Shebanator wrote: post #37
mmanfrin wrote: post #19

Payment information contained in those emails — including shipping and other account information — put the happy couple and their young son in Naples, Italy. I am not at all surprised they found him in Naples. That city is a festering breeding ground for scammers, fraudsters, mafiosi, Camorra, and every kind and type of unscrupulous person. I have never hated a city I've visited so much as Naples.

But they make great pizza there...

I agree with you there -- and the Naples Underground (old cisterns that became bomb shelters) are neat, and Pompeii is an hour away. Those, however, are the sole 3 reasons for going. I tell my friends who visit Italy that if they pass through Naples, you go to Da Michele and get 2 pizzas, check out the underground, take a daytrip to Pompeii, and then get the away from Naples asap.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by Nadya »

kbenson wrote: post #41
Nadya wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even low hanging fruits have connections. I think all the hush-hush on black markets creates as much danger as it creates safety in making such discussion taboo. The idea that only kingpins or the mafia have connections to hitmen is something that exists only in Hollywood media. I guess thinking about it further, the 'good' news is that if the criminal was successful at what he did and had a couple grand to hire a hi…

Let's not forget that getting someone in trouble and/or threatening harm/death are not the same thing as actually causing physical harm, and that is not the same as actually causing death. Just because someone is part of the underworld doesn't mean they have no qualms about ordering someone's death, and the only thing holding them back is the money.

Revenge is one of the most powerful motivators for murder and can turn otherwise good people into hot-blooded killers [0-5].

Few people would kill indiscriminately, but if you give them a powerful enough motivation? They'll have no qualms taking a life. This guy has had his life ruined, I doubt his marriage will survive this, and he'll be spending a good portion of his life in prison in a foreign country. Furthermore, he gets to be humiliated not once - not twice - but thrice by Krebs. That's a lot of motivation to get back at a guy and it would be foolish to not even entertain the thought that he may seek revenge.

I could link to hundreds if not thousands of stories about revenge killings. Hell - it's such an old motivator it's featured in many parts of Greek and Roman mythology.

E:

Ignoring that the reason the Witness Protection Program even exists is to protect peoples' lives after they ruin a criminal's life.

[0] Possibly NSFW ; no gore but someone dies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PUE8fYxjq8

[1] http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/12/ex-ira-gunman...

[2] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009762/Man-gets-lif...

[3] http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/texas-dad-accused-murd...

[4] http://www.dailypilot.com/news/tn-dpt-me-0711-van-sentencing...

[5] http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/nearly-4...

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by gtrubetskoy »

'(“cc” is a reference to credit cards)' - CC (and MUXACC1) is not a reference to credit cards, it's a reference to the Tsetse Fly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsetse_fly which spreads Sleeping Sickness - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_trypanosomiasis - for whatever reason it's part of the Russian folklore used as a metaphor for something particularly nasty.

Edit: (thanks rnovak!) apparently "cc" in thecc[dot]bz _is_ credit cards, though the CC in MUXACC1 is definitely a reference to Tsetse.

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