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Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by Retric »

icehawk219 wrote: post #7

One thing I'm curious about with stuff like this is how some of the information gets given to the authorities and how it's allowed to be used in court. I imagine I can't just walk into my local police station, file a report, and go "so I have this illegal copy of a database that let me illegally access someones email account that contained illegally acquired information ...". Wouldn't that be inadmissible in court ev…

The only limitation is the government can't be responsible for gathering the information. AKA if a private eye breaks the law it's only an issue if they where directly or indirectly paid for by the government.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by icehawk219 »

klodolph wrote: post #10
icehawk219 wrote: post #7

One thing I'm curious about with stuff like this is how some of the information gets given to the authorities and how it's allowed to be used in court. I imagine I can't just walk into my local police station, file a report, and go "so I have this illegal copy of a database that let me illegally access someones email account that contained illegally acquired information ...". Wouldn't that be inadmissible in court ev…

This is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violat…

That makes surprisingly good sense. The more you know. :) Thanks.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by Nadya »

steven2012 wrote: post #9

OP seems a bit naive, but I can't believe it given everything he's written. Of course the Fly won't send threats over mail, he knows everything he writes is being watched. I would be worried, however, that he somehow gets word to someone to exact his revenge, since he really has nothing to lose at this point.

I agree with you entirely.

Implied death threat (to him) sent to his wife from someone whom he has now gotten imprisoned who knows where he lives and confirmed it by sending a card... he seems awfully calm about all this and perhaps half-jokingly states he'll visit Fly in prison to meet him in person.

I'd be getting placed under a witness protection program (is this even applicable?) and relocate. Move somewhere that doesn't have risk of being burned down if Fly manages to contact anyone.

Anyone deep enough in the criminal scene has connections to people that can make bad things happen to other people for the right price. This isn't something I'd be posting about on a blog as if it's some sort of crime detective story... his life and his wife's life could potentially be in danger.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by rubbingalcohol »

Nadya wrote: post #13
steven2012 wrote: post #9

OP seems a bit naive, but I can't believe it given everything he's written. Of course the Fly won't send threats over mail, he knows everything he writes is being watched. I would be worried, however, that he somehow gets word to someone to exact his revenge, since he really has nothing to lose at this point.

I agree with you entirely. Implied death threat (to him) sent to his wife from someone whom he has now gotten imprisoned who knows where he lives and confirmed it by sending a card... he seems awfully calm about all this and perhaps half-jokingly states he'll visit Fly in prison to meet him in person. I'd be getting placed under a witness protection program (is this even applicable?) and relocate. Move somewhere that…

I doubt it, this isn't a drug cartel kingpin or mafia don we're talking about. He's just a troll.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by x5n1 »

klodolph wrote: post #10
icehawk219 wrote: post #7

One thing I'm curious about with stuff like this is how some of the information gets given to the authorities and how it's allowed to be used in court. I imagine I can't just walk into my local police station, file a report, and go "so I have this illegal copy of a database that let me illegally access someones email account that contained illegally acquired information ...". Wouldn't that be inadmissible in court ev…

This is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violat…

Surprising that a judge doesn't make a mistake all the freaking time. The legal system is a religion, it has little basis in reason.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by Jemmeh »

Nadya wrote: post #13
steven2012 wrote: post #9

OP seems a bit naive, but I can't believe it given everything he's written. Of course the Fly won't send threats over mail, he knows everything he writes is being watched. I would be worried, however, that he somehow gets word to someone to exact his revenge, since he really has nothing to lose at this point.

I agree with you entirely. Implied death threat (to him) sent to his wife from someone whom he has now gotten imprisoned who knows where he lives and confirmed it by sending a card... he seems awfully calm about all this and perhaps half-jokingly states he'll visit Fly in prison to meet him in person. I'd be getting placed under a witness protection program (is this even applicable?) and relocate. Move somewhere that…

Krebs is a security investigative reporter. He has had many threats and written about them before. I am sure he is taking some precautions. That said, I don't envy him or the danger of his job--but that's something a lot of reporters just live with.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by avn2109 »

x5n1 wrote: post #15
klodolph wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violat…

Surprising that a judge doesn't make a mistake all the freaking time. The legal system is a religion, it has little basis in reason.

The judge does make mistakes all the freaking time. But in practice the system is so stacked against the defendant that this effect is negligible.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by Jemmeh »

klodolph wrote: post #10
icehawk219 wrote: post #7

One thing I'm curious about with stuff like this is how some of the information gets given to the authorities and how it's allowed to be used in court. I imagine I can't just walk into my local police station, file a report, and go "so I have this illegal copy of a database that let me illegally access someones email account that contained illegally acquired information ...". Wouldn't that be inadmissible in court ev…

This is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violat…

Makes sense that it's admissible in that case.

Would you still be able to be held legally responsible for breaking the law to get the information though? In that case, the evidence would be admissible but wouldn't you be in trouble for breaking into your neighbor's house?

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by mmanfrin » 

  Payment information contained in those emails — including 
  shipping and other account information — put the happy 
  couple and their young son in Naples, Italy.
I am not at all surprised they found him in Naples. That city is a festering breeding ground for scammers, fraudsters, mafiosi, Camorra, and every kind and type of unscrupulous person. I have never hated a city I've visited so much as Naples.
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