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Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by tptacek »

Jemmeh wrote: post #16
Nadya wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you entirely. Implied death threat (to him) sent to his wife from someone whom he has now gotten imprisoned who knows where he lives and confirmed it by sending a card... he seems awfully calm about all this and perhaps half-jokingly states he'll visit Fly in prison to meet him in person. I'd be getting placed under a witness protection program (is this even applicable?) and relocate. Move somewhere that…

Krebs is a security investigative reporter. He has had many threats and written about them before. I am sure he is taking some precautions. That said, I don't envy him or the danger of his job--but that's something a lot of reporters just live with.

It might help readers to know Krebs is the security investigative reporter; he is probably the single most important reporter in the world on this particular beat.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by [deleted] »

x5n1 wrote: post #15
klodolph wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violat…

Surprising that a judge doesn't make a mistake all the freaking time. The legal system is a religion, it has little basis in reason.

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Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by rayiner »

tptacek wrote: post #29
x5n1 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprising that a judge doesn't make a mistake all the freaking time. The legal system is a religion, it has little basis in reason.

Think in terms of branches of government. The executive branch investigates crimes, and the judicial adjudicates them. The exclusionary rule is designed to punish the executive branch for abusing the Fourth Amendment. But if it's the judge that's mistaken, it's the judicial, not the executive, at fault, and the incentive behind the exclusionary principle ceases to exist. (If it helps: the US's exclusionary rule is si…

Indeed, the problem here is too much reason (not applying the exclusionary rule when the incentives it seeks to create do not apply), and not enough religion (always applying the exclusionary rule to benefit the accused when the government makes a mistake).

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by comrh »

rufugee wrote: post #20

so I began looking through databases of hacked carding and cybercrime forums Where does one acquire these databases? Genuinely curious...

Read through Kreb's archive, he has screenshots and more info. If I remember correctly one was on the clearnet but required some sort of verification before you got access.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by ceejayoz »

pierrec wrote: post #25

It's interesting to see the moral ambiguity in this, in the comments and in the article itself. Perhaps the comment with the rarest insight of empathy is the one by Matthew B.: " The people who conduct this type of crime often think of it as justified. After all, Americans are rich aren’t they? How could it hurt them to lose some money? We are poor, if they won’t share, we’ll just take it. We will make them share! Th…

> All of this will certainly not help for Fly's later reinsertion, say, when he decides to get a job in IT.

Maybe he should find a career that's less likely to offer tempting access to other peoples' private information next time?

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by mhurron »

rufugee wrote: post #20

so I began looking through databases of hacked carding and cybercrime forums Where does one acquire these databases? Genuinely curious...

Brian Krebs has done this once or twice, so he's built a collection of resources already making it a lot easier for him.

A simple answer would be there is more to onion sites and 'the dark web' than just the Silk Road.

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Post by Shebanator »

mmanfrin wrote: post #19

Payment information contained in those emails — including shipping and other account information — put the happy couple and their young son in Naples, Italy. I am not at all surprised they found him in Naples. That city is a festering breeding ground for scammers, fraudsters, mafiosi, Camorra, and every kind and type of unscrupulous person. I have never hated a city I've visited so much as Naples.

But they make great pizza there...

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by fsloth »

pierrec wrote: post #25

It's interesting to see the moral ambiguity in this, in the comments and in the article itself. Perhaps the comment with the rarest insight of empathy is the one by Matthew B.: " The people who conduct this type of crime often think of it as justified. After all, Americans are rich aren’t they? How could it hurt them to lose some money? We are poor, if they won’t share, we’ll just take it. We will make them share! Th…

Theoretically, that shipment of heroin could have ruined his and his wifes life for good.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by pierrec »

tptacek wrote: post #27
pierrec wrote: post #25

It's interesting to see the moral ambiguity in this, in the comments and in the article itself. Perhaps the comment with the rarest insight of empathy is the one by Matthew B.: " The people who conduct this type of crime often think of it as justified. After all, Americans are rich aren’t they? How could it hurt them to lose some money? We are poor, if they won’t share, we’ll just take it. We will make them share! Th…

You are complaining that Krebs doxxed a credit card scammer who tried to frame him for dealing heroin?

Framing someone for dealing heroin is criminal and morally terrible. The guy's certainly paying and going to prison for it, and for his other crimes. This is justice doing its job.

The question that I'm trying to ask is whether public shaming, especially to such a large audience, is really a civilized response. The consequences are also devastating, and reduce the possibilities of getting a second chance at life, something that I strongly believe in.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by tptacek »

pierrec wrote: post #39
tptacek wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are complaining that Krebs doxxed a credit card scammer who tried to frame him for dealing heroin?

Framing someone for dealing heroin is criminal and morally terrible. The guy's certainly paying and going to prison for it, and for his other crimes. This is justice doing its job. The question that I'm trying to ask is whether public shaming, especially to such a large audience, is really a civilized response. The consequences are also devastating, and reduce the possibilities of getting a second chance at life, som…

The real world isn't Reddit. There is no "no-doxxing" rule in reality.
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