Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S • Hacker News Board

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by Nadya » Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 6:16 PM UTC

rubbingalcohol wrote: post #14

Nadya wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you entirely. Implied death threat (to him) sent to his wife from someone whom he has now gotten imprisoned who knows where he lives and confirmed it by sending a card... he seems awfully calm about all this and perhaps half-jokingly states he'll visit Fly in prison to meet him in person. I'd be getting placed under a witness protection program (is this even applicable?) and relocate. Move somewhere that…

I doubt it, this isn't a drug cartel kingpin or mafia don we're talking about. He's just a troll.

Even low hanging fruits have connections. I think all the hush-hush on black markets creates as much danger as it creates safety in making such discussion taboo. The idea that only kingpins or the mafia have connections to hitmen is something that exists only in Hollywood media.

I guess thinking about it further, the 'good' news is that if the criminal was successful at what he did and had a couple grand to hire a hitman - he wouldn't have needed to crowdfund the heroin. So you're right in that it's more likely a small time, not-black-market-rich troll rather than someone more dangerous.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by imperialdrive » Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 6:17 PM UTC

I've had to decide to face down evil before... I went forward and it landed people in prison. I know I did the 'right' thing, but I didn't sleep well until moving away and wiping my online identity. I salute your work and wish you the best.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by Jemmeh » Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 6:21 PM UTC

rufugee wrote: post #20

so I began looking through databases of hacked carding and cybercrime forums Where does one acquire these databases? Genuinely curious...

Credit card data is stolen all the time. Card skimmers, cell phones, cameras, just writing it down while working somewhere, pulled out of compromised email accounts, etc etc the list goes on. Criminals then upload them and sell that data online.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by Jemmeh » Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 6:24 PM UTC

rubbingalcohol wrote: post #14

Nadya wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you entirely. Implied death threat (to him) sent to his wife from someone whom he has now gotten imprisoned who knows where he lives and confirmed it by sending a card... he seems awfully calm about all this and perhaps half-jokingly states he'll visit Fly in prison to meet him in person. I'd be getting placed under a witness protection program (is this even applicable?) and relocate. Move somewhere that…

I doubt it, this isn't a drug cartel kingpin or mafia don we're talking about. He's just a troll.

These criminals are not stealing all these credit cards for fun. It's to make money. They have money. Obviously they can throw $200 at someone just to troll him. They could pull together more if they really decided it was necessary. Money talks.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by pierrec » Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 6:25 PM UTC

It's interesting to see the moral ambiguity in this, in the comments and in the article itself. Perhaps the comment with the rarest insight of empathy is the one by Matthew B.:

"The people who conduct this type of crime often think of it as justified. After all, Americans are rich aren’t they? How could it hurt them to lose some money? We are poor, if they won’t share, we’ll just take it. We will make them share!

They think of it as a game. A lucrative game in which they get to win over and over again. Even those of them who may be kind to their friends and even generous with those they love, don’t really see their victims as people. Not being a member of their group makes the rest of us not quite human.

This type of tribal thinking isn’t as uncommon as you might want to believe. I’ve seen it here in the US over and over during my lifetime. Most people who suffer from it don’t consider themselves evil. They just consider the rest of us their lawful prey.

We tend to feel otherwise. Thanks for the great work Brian."

What I find a bit crass is the sensationalistic complete disclosure of identity employed - going all the way to the classical mugshot. All of this will certainly not help for Fly's later reinsertion, say, when he decides to get a job in IT. And I'm not playing devil's advocate here, it just seems to me that the author is pushing aside his inner moral voice in order to write a more viral article. Justice is taking care of prosecuting the criminal, but let's push him further down if it can attract some pageviews. I suppose I'm simply being bitter about journalism, though.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by tptacek » Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 6:26 PM UTC

Retric wrote: post #11

icehawk219 wrote: post #7

One thing I'm curious about with stuff like this is how some of the information gets given to the authorities and how it's allowed to be used in court. I imagine I can't just walk into my local police station, file a report, and go "so I have this illegal copy of a database that let me illegally access someones email account that contained illegally acquired information ...". Wouldn't that be inadmissible in court ev…

The only limitation is the government can't be responsible for gathering the information. AKA if a private eye breaks the law it's only an issue if they where directly or indirectly paid for by the government.

Which makes sense, because the sole purpose of the exclusionary rule is to punish the state for actively cheating the Fourth Amendment.

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by tptacek » Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 6:27 PM UTC

pierrec wrote: post #25

It's interesting to see the moral ambiguity in this, in the comments and in the article itself. Perhaps the comment with the rarest insight of empathy is the one by Matthew B.: " The people who conduct this type of crime often think of it as justified. After all, Americans are rich aren’t they? How could it hurt them to lose some money? We are poor, if they won’t share, we’ll just take it. We will make them share! Th…

You are complaining that Krebs doxxed a credit card scammer who tried to frame him for dealing heroin?

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 6:28 PM UTC

Jemmeh wrote: post #18

klodolph wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violat…

Makes sense that it's admissible in that case. Would you still be able to be held legally responsible for breaking the law to get the information though? In that case, the evidence would be admissible but wouldn't you be in trouble for breaking into your neighbor's house?

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Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by tptacek » Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 6:30 PM UTC

x5n1 wrote: post #15

klodolph wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violat…

Surprising that a judge doesn't make a mistake all the freaking time. The legal system is a religion, it has little basis in reason.

Think in terms of branches of government. The executive branch investigates crimes, and the judicial adjudicates them. The exclusionary rule is designed to punish the executive branch for abusing the Fourth Amendment. But if it's the judge that's mistaken, it's the judicial, not the executive, at fault, and the incentive behind the exclusionary principle ceases to exist.

(If it helps: the US's exclusionary rule is significantly stronger and more consistent than those of European countries, particularly the UK.)

Re: Hacker Who Sent Me Heroin Faces Charges in U.S

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Post by mulletbum » Fri, Oct 16, 2015, 6:30 PM UTC

Jemmeh wrote: post #18

klodolph wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a common misconception. The fourth amendment only limits the actions of the state, and case law establishes how evidence is excluded from trials. So, if I break into my neighbor's house and find child porn on his computer, that evidence is admissible in court. But if the police break into my neighbor's house without a warrant and search his computer, it isn't admissible, because it's a fourth amendment violat…

Makes sense that it's admissible in that case. Would you still be able to be held legally responsible for breaking the law to get the information though? In that case, the evidence would be admissible but wouldn't you be in trouble for breaking into your neighbor's house?

Yes, you are correct.