So a fictional TV show about fictional characters has everyone going on today?
Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist
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Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist
#162A native Arabic speaker here, I must say that I admire the courage and innovation of the graffiti artists and activists who chose this medium to protest and convey their message, which needless to say, that I don't necessarily endorse or share the creators' point of view. I have to admit that I haven't seen the show yet not even a single shot and I could say too that I have a very thick skin when it comes to "cultura…
They DID have someone there. In fact, they hired three guys just for that! And trusted them to do their job properly.
Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist
#163A native Arabic speaker here, I must say that I admire the courage and innovation of the graffiti artists and activists who chose this medium to protest and convey their message, which needless to say, that I don't necessarily endorse or share the creators' point of view. I have to admit that I haven't seen the show yet not even a single shot and I could say too that I have a very thick skin when it comes to "cultura…
It's courageous to graffiti anti-establishment messages under despotic regimes....it's not courageous to hide a message in a western TV show that you were hired to do work for.
Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
The writers can't keep up the quality as they write the season. They're rushed for the later episodes. So characters start out as nuanced and then become more one dimensional towards the end of the season. Also they need to deliver twists and shocks. So it's not exactly stupidity but it's not really intentional either.
The main writer of Homeland died unexpectedly in 2013 [1]. The new writers are clueless. That's why the show has lost its nuance and most of its discerning audience. [1] http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/homeland-writer-produc...
Oh, so that explains it. IMHO the first season was really great, one of the most subversive shows aired on TV in the last 15 years. I know the word "subversive" gets thrown a lot in many discussions lately, but the first season certainly deserved it (warning: spoilers for season 1 following), I mean, we've got an American war hero praying to Allah, getting elected as a congressman while conspiring to kill the Vice-President and only at the last second deciding not to do it, and not because he believed in America or western values, whatever that means, but because of his kids. Plus the entire higher echelons of the CIA getting bombed off to pieces at the end, you don't see that in many shows/movies.
Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist
#165So a fictional TV show about fictional characters has everyone going on today?
The amusing part to me is that Homeland actually draws the line down the middle pretty much. It shows the human side of "terrorists" and also demonizes the CIA.
Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sorry, but according to whom? Not the dictionary, or Wikipedia.
According to popular use. A lot of words, especially in the political or controversial sphere, end up having folk definitions that are open to interpretation. Witness how meaningless labels like "conservative" or "liberal" become when you try to dissect them.
If that definition is so widely open to interpretation that people with opposing views can't even talk to each other about it without misunderstandings, perhaps we shouldn't use that definition. Let's stick to the dictionary definition instead.
Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am conflicted - on one hand it is a great hack, no doubt. But they also screwed over the producers, who trusted them and paid them for their work.
The producers also admire the hack. From the show's creator & executive producer: "We wish we’d caught these images before they made it to air. However, as Homeland always strives to be subversive in its own right and a stimulus for conversation, we can’t help but admire this act of artistic sabotage.” [0] [0] http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/oct/15/homeland... (edited for clarity)
> The producers also admire the hack.
The producers know that if they publicly complained they would be torn apart on social media and in the press.
Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist
#168A native Arabic speaker here, I must say that I admire the courage and innovation of the graffiti artists and activists who chose this medium to protest and convey their message, which needless to say, that I don't necessarily endorse or share the creators' point of view. I have to admit that I haven't seen the show yet not even a single shot and I could say too that I have a very thick skin when it comes to "cultura…
It's courageous to graffiti anti-establishment messages under despotic regimes....it's not courageous to hide a message in a western TV show that you were hired to do work for.
If you want to debate this from an ethical standpoint, you could argue that the artists might have breached the producers' trust when they bombed the location with opposing and negative messages about the show. In an ideal scenario, these artists are encouraged to return the compensation they received if any because they should not benefit financially from their political opponents esp. when the contract was on a bona fide basis but I don't know really the details of the transaction or incident as a whole to be able to give sound advice or assessment of the situation here.
As with your argument that anti-authoritarian messages are best suited to despotic regimes, from what I was able to gather about this show, I found that it's very controversial and some people believe that the producers constantly push and glamorize a mass-surveillance state and a clueless, extensive, and all-out Bush's style "War on Terrorism", I guess the artists with their act were in the ballpark of opposing and protesting tyrannical regimes as you put it when they attacked one of the propaganda channels of America's Neo-Conservatives with their political message according to at least the prevailing analysis by the proponents of this stunt.
Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist
#169This is the best hack I've seen on Hacker News in months and it doesn't even involve a computer. Great job to everyone involved in pulling it off, even if the casual viewers didn't notice.
I have to wonder if this "hack" would be so enthusiastically complimented for its cleverness were it not expressing such a popular opinion.
Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist
#170Pretty telling that nobody on the set can read Arabic.
I'm guessing you don't really know how TV shows are filmed. There could be dozens of people in the production who speak Arabic, but the odds that they would actually go on set and analyze the props is next to nil unless you are a person who works on the set. Is your argument that a sound man or camera operator speaking arabic would lend credibility to a show involving the middle east?