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Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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This is the best hack I've seen on Hacker News in months and it doesn't even involve a computer. Great job to everyone involved in pulling it off, even if the casual viewers didn't notice.

I am conflicted - on one hand it is a great hack, no doubt. But they also screwed over the producers, who trusted them and paid them for their work.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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I think "nuanced" is the key there. Also, when you're portraying a minority, the effect of your work will be different. If you live in the US, chances are excellent that you know a variety of white people well. Some are good, some are bad. Chances are much worse that you know Muslims or Middle Eastern immigrants well. Muslims are one of the most discriminated against minorities in the US, and there's some shocking wi…

Interesting because Christians are among the most discriminated against groups in the Middle East. Pot, meet kettle.

Yes, because Western media conglomerates should operate using the same tactics that media companies in the Islamosphere use. /s

Other countries' media's lack of nuance is no excuse for Western media's lack of nuance.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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post #39

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For an example of how the fake TV world can be used to justify real world beliefs: http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/06/20/justice-scalia-hearts-ja... > The Globe and Mail reported that Scalia came to the defense of Jack Bauer and his torture tactics during an Ottawa conference of international jurists and national security officials last week. During a panel discussion about terrorism, torture and the law, a Canadian ju…

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"it's just a way of relating"

Yes, I believe that it my point. By creating constructs like Bauer, the underlying topic that torture is justifiable became easier to relate to. Thus, it's not correct to absolve the creators of those shows simply, as drzaiusapelord did, because 'Its a dramatic show'.

I have no idea what your last line means.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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Meta: Does this act count as culture jamming? And if so, does culture jamming count as hacking? Because if so, I foresee the possibility of more links on HN about Banksy, or whomever is the Banksy of the moment, and others who find ways to disrupt establishment norms.

« culture jamming » ? « reality hacking » ?

This is plain and simple activism (or sabotage, it depends whose side you are on). No need for fancy words and one-item-categories.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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Well, it apparently can't even depict terrorists correctly, because suggesting that Al Qaeda and Hezbollah would ever work together is just ludicrous. And I can totally see why Lebanese would be pissed off at seeing Hamra street completely misrepresented in that way. And even if the show isn't supposed to depict "average Muslims", do you really think all the viewers of the show will get that nuance? If all of the Ara…

Might we also criticize the portrayal of Jews in Palestinian kids cartoons? I am not certain there are many Muslims complaining about those portrayals.

Also implies "and", whereas you seem to mean "instead".

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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post #61

This is the best hack I've seen on Hacker News in months and it doesn't even involve a computer. Great job to everyone involved in pulling it off, even if the casual viewers didn't notice.

I am conflicted - on one hand it is a great hack, no doubt. But they also screwed over the producers, who trusted them and paid them for their work.

I'd venture to say this was a pretty calculated move -- no doubt they might not get work with this production company anymore, but they'll surely have quite a few more jobs lined up now with their name out there like this. Also, those jobs might be on projects that more closely align with their political and artistic goals and visions.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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post #61

This is the best hack I've seen on Hacker News in months and it doesn't even involve a computer. Great job to everyone involved in pulling it off, even if the casual viewers didn't notice.

I am conflicted - on one hand it is a great hack, no doubt. But they also screwed over the producers, who trusted them and paid them for their work.

If the producers asked for graffiti, then they certainly got what they paid for. Graffiti has been used as a form of protest and criticism for as long as there has been both paint and walls.

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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post #61

This is the best hack I've seen on Hacker News in months and it doesn't even involve a computer. Great job to everyone involved in pulling it off, even if the casual viewers didn't notice.

I am conflicted - on one hand it is a great hack, no doubt. But they also screwed over the producers, who trusted them and paid them for their work.

You mean like how Michelangelo screwed over the Vatican?

Re: Graffiti on ‘Homeland,’ Unnoticed by Producers, Calls Show Racist

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>many people, seeing only stereotypes, come to believe them. Seems like the local education system has failed if people can't think critically or rationally. Blaming the arts is wrong and only treats the symptom. Do you believe that all information needs to be carefully controlled so that people don't get the wrong ideas? If so, what are you doing on an open/liberal/libertarian forum like HN then? Anyone can post any…

This. Thanks for posting this. Everyone likes to shirk personal responsibility and put the blame on others. If you are too challenged to distinguish between real life vs reel life, you should excuse yourself from such matters. EDIT: Thanks for the down votes, the truth is a bitter pill to swallow, isn't it?

And matches are perfectly safe, if you don't happen to be surrounded by flammables.

The simple facts are that we have a huge amount of ignorance in the audience for this show, this show takes advantage of that (it is targeted to folks who are not informed about the places and people and groups depicted, otherwise it wouldn't take such extreme artistic license with them) and will have an effect on the views of its audience.

It doesn't matter what society we'd like to live in or how that might play out in theory.

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