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How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

#101

Well, China is definitely not an "up and coming" country. I've been here like a week and I already don't want to ever look at chicken in my life again.

Be gentle but firm if the locals keep trying to feed you pizza and fried chicken. Food in China is awesome. Ask to go where the people you are visiting eat lunch normally.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

#102
post #21

There's no justification for the assumption of a high coffee-to-chicken ratio implying up-and-coming. It's not an unreasonable assumption, but it's definitely anecdotal.

Peckham is up and coming though, so it seems to have worked to some extent, albeit a year too late.

Peckham was "up and coming" when I was there in 2000. Good luck with that.

Just for you:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/london-property-m...

"But how would I live without all the art galleries I never visit, my four-hour daily commute, being groped on the Tube, black snot, getting mugged for my iPhone, and my upstairs neighbour’s regular all-night dubstep sessions?"

I lived in Peckham. One night I went next door to tell my neighbour to stop playing dance music full volume at 4am. Another time I phoned the police and they would only send someone round when they had enough backup. "Good times".

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

#104
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not from America - care to explain?

I'm not an American, but I believe they are referring to the racist meme that associates fried chicken to Americans of non-white ethnicities. This differs from the UK where fried chicken is more associated with the lower classes than a particular race.

The fried chicken stereotype exists for blacks, not non-whites. It's a popular southern food, and the origin of the stereotype goes back to the time of slavery. Chickens were one of the few animals slaves were allowed to raise on their own and the dish was easy and cheap to make.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

#105
post #101

Well, China is definitely not an "up and coming" country. I've been here like a week and I already don't want to ever look at chicken in my life again.

Be gentle but firm if the locals keep trying to feed you pizza and fried chicken. Food in China is awesome. Ask to go where the people you are visiting eat lunch normally.

I'm on business here and unfortunately all people I meet daily eat out in the same chicken-and-rice joints (or KFC).

I would really love to find a good pizza source though. I love pizza. Unfortunately, local PizzaHut isn't as good as I'd expected and serves primarily pizzas with chicken and... beans. Or something like this.

Also, it's not that I don't like chicken or rice. It's just after a week of eating it twice a day I feel a strong need for change :).

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

#106
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd look at what type of cars are parked in the street at night.

Now that's an interesting indicator - many of these are variations of the same theme and lagging indicators. Yours is (except for areas in immediate transitions) a real time indicator idea. At least in the US.

It would definitely work in the UK as well - especially as you can tell the age of a car from the number-plate. Find a run down area and track the number of newer family cars or BMWs/Audis.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

#107
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not from America - care to explain?

I'm not an American, but I believe they are referring to the racist meme that associates fried chicken to Americans of non-white ethnicities. This differs from the UK where fried chicken is more associated with the lower classes than a particular race.

I've never really understood the nature of this stereotype - who doesn't at least like fried chicken? It's like saying, 'You know the Mexicans, they just love ice cream.' Of course they do, it's ice cream.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

#108

A more interesting indicator that authors may consider is how many people living in the area do jogging. When I moved to London's SE4 postcode three years ago (it's pretty close to Peckham, FWIW), the regeneration of the area has just started and the more middle-class looking people appeared around, the more men and women in running gear were visible in the streets in the morning. Poor on average take worse care of t…

I wonder if the various fitness apps would be willing to open their data to studies. It would be incredibly interesting to see an exercise heatmap overlayed with various other ones, especially housing prices.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

#109
post #64

So besides "chicken shops" which must be a regional indicator for poor or undesirable what other establishments are also present? There should be an obvious transition type of business that precedes the coffee shop. Combined with chicken shops perhaps the availability of different businesses could give entrepreneurs an indicator where to set up similar or buy up space?

Pawnshops, payday loan services, barber shops... And pubs closed down, because it is too dangerous for them to operate. Also signs on restaurants "Customer only toilets"

Charity shops. Often when an area starts to fail as a shopping hub and retailers close when landlords can't get a new business in and have a void they still have to pay business rates. The way to avoid this is to charge rent to a charity shop which doesn't have to pay business rates, so they win even if the charity shop is paying lower rent than the business before.

For example Muswell Hill.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

#110
post #75

This analysis would be tremendously racist in America.

It's plenty 'racist' here in the UK (at least under the left-wing redefinition of the word racist as any mention of race at all). Chicken shops and jerk chicken are associated with the African-Caribbean population. All he's done with his analysis is used two thinly disguised proxy variables to hide his true hypothesis, which may very well be a good hypothesis but is unpalatable to discuss in public.

The author of the piece should add a times series on violent crime and shootings. These should decrease with time if the area is "up and coming"...
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