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The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

cinquemb wrote: post #418
ChuckMcM wrote: post #175

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And it is up to your generation to do a better job of it (no pun intended) so run for office!

I don't mean to offend, but this seems quite banal (maybe it's just how insincere it sounds in face of what most people have to go through on a daily basis to tread water). It's as if the only way of bringing effective change (for some definition of such) along any social economic dimension (read: ways resource allocation) dimension is running for office. Its laughable to think, pandering to the status quo will impro…

Excuse me, one slight objection: the American political system is not a natural result of "the OS of collective human behaviors". It was designed to be exactly as bad as it is, and damn any human nature to the contrary.

Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

Domenic_S wrote: post #318
roymurdock wrote: post #143

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Speaking for myself (as a 22 year-old recent graduate) - I was brought up to respect my elders and to consider society as a mostly-altruistic, benevolent mass of humanity with a conscience bent more towards justice and meritocracy than corruption and inequality. I believed that the older generation who shape and structure society through government, industry, and academia were doing their absolute best to set future…

> to consider society as a mostly-altruistic, benevolent mass of humanity There is no mass of humanity in that way, just like "HN believes..." or "Reddit thinks..." is mostly impossible to say. Some folks of that generation did/do act in mostly-altruistic, benevolent ways, and some of them did/do not. The generational argument is a very clever red herring that shifts blame from a broken system to the previous generat…

>in the US if you worked and paid taxes, you'll get the bare minimum (social security + medicare) and won't ever starve or go cold.

So, how does that apply to our massive homeless populations?

Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by cinquemb »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #461
cinquemb wrote: post #418

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I don't mean to offend, but this seems quite banal (maybe it's just how insincere it sounds in face of what most people have to go through on a daily basis to tread water). It's as if the only way of bringing effective change (for some definition of such) along any social economic dimension (read: ways resource allocation) dimension is running for office. Its laughable to think, pandering to the status quo will impro…

Excuse me, one slight objection: the American political system is not a natural result of "the OS of collective human behaviors". It was designed to be exactly as bad as it is, and damn any human nature to the contrary.

Well, OS's are usually designed, at least everyone that I have encountered… and US system is no less designed than any others in so far as they are quite suboptimal at resource allocation, but better than say 10k years ago.

Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by paulryanrogers »

mikepurvis wrote: post #243
petra wrote: post #193

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I agree that there are a million things we could do, but at the end of the day,somebody has to be interested enough to pay for them. That was always the harder issue. But if you have ideas that fit that criteria, please share. We need such discussions.

The point of BI is that the government doesn't actually need to be involved in centrally planning all of the things that need doing— it's a huge amount of unnecessary bureaucracy when many of them are things people would love to do given freedom from having to immediately "earn a living". So the government doesn't pay you to pick up trash in the ravine near your home. The government pays you because you are a citizen…

I'm curious if such trash would ever be picked up. While I can imagine people being more altruistic once their needs are met, humanity seems to be really near sighted when it comes to subtle-yet-broad problems like trash. "Out of sight, out of mind."

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Post by lujim »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #61
astrodust wrote: post #49

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We lived for at least fifty thousand years without any money at all, for around three thousand with some form of money, and the last two hundred years with the idea of hourly wages and bills and rent. It's entirely possible we'll find a better way to do this. Maybe we'll have to "undertake dramatic changes" to avoid an even bigger disaster.

We've developed the technology to support our greed, and now that a small group of people has become infinitely more powerful, they won't be willing to cede control.

I don't think of it that way. Even the most destitute person can go to the ER and get medical treatment that Andrew Carnegie, John D Rockefeller or JP Morgan couldn't buy with their entire fortune. It's not always free, but it's available. Most people living near or above the poverty line can afford devices fit in their pocket and instantly share information with anyone on the planet. Entire ivy league university courses are instantly available for free anywhere with an internet connection. We've developed the technology that we were able to because we could. Wealth inequality sucks, minimum wage sucks, environmental pollution sucks, but we aren't doing all that bad for a bunch of apes just trying to figure things out.

Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by fecak »

czinck wrote: post #286
fecak wrote: post #190

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>Sounds like job applicants have the same problem that men have in online dating - no feedback from 99% no matter how much effort you put in, so in the end spamming seems like the most effective strategy. And the same problem recruiters have when they don't get responses from potential candidates. If you wonder why you get 50 emails a week on LinkedIn, it's the same thing.

That's disingenuous. All the emails I get from LinkedIn are unsolicited and I take my normal approach to spam of not responding, because responding only makes the spam more likely. A better example would be someone putting their resume up on a job board (not a professional social network) and ignoring all the responses, which I have trouble believing anyone does.

Don't you think that some people use LinkedIn as a way to be contacted for new jobs? I think based on the way profiles are written and optimized, at least a fair number of people use it as an ongoing passive job search.

Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

totalrobe wrote: post #284
panglott wrote: post #192

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It's simply true that, barring disaster, the next generation will have it easier with more resources for cheaper. This is because worker productivity continues to rise. More is produced with fewer hours worked. It's beyond me why it's taken as a given that the result should be a decreasing share of the number of people employed at a constant rate and an increase in the number of people unemployed, rather than say a d…

IMO depends on the type of job. In lower skill jobs you do see exactly what you're describing (more workers fewer hours). In knowledge industries it's probably much more efficient to have fewer numbers of high performing individuals that are leveraging experience and domain knowledge as a productivity multiplier.

>In knowledge industries it's probably much more efficient to have fewer numbers of high performing individuals that are leveraging experience and domain knowledge as a productivity multiplier.

Then you would think they could receive larger amounts of vacation time than three weeks per year. Or that they could collect such fat fees as contractors that they'd only have to work part of the year.

Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

hiram112 wrote: post #127
lisper wrote: post #47

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> But I can't think of a way that the bubble could actually pop. Or what it would look like if it did. It would look like a social movement. It would look like tens of millions of young people realizing that they have fallen under the yoke of life-long indentured servitude to the older generation, and either 1) getting organized enough to get the law changed or, 2) saying "fuck it, I've got nothing left to lose" and…

The government will eventually realize that the defaulted loans, together with penalties and fees, can never be paid back - no different than the typical house flippers of 2008 who leveraged themselves to the hilt with multiple properties. The banks and funds that own these defaulted loans will threaten to take down the whole system, including Main Street's pension and IRA savings, unless they're bailed out. The Fed'…

> The government will eventually realize that the defaulted loans, together with penalties and fees, can never be paid back - no different than the typical house flippers of 2008 who leveraged themselves to the hilt with multiple properties.

Yes, but the question is if they'll care. Many people believe it morally important to enforce the unenforceable.

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Post by danharaj »

s73v3r wrote: post #400
danharaj wrote: post #66

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Or abolish governments and states.

I'd prefer not to live in an area controlled by battling warlords, thank you very much.

Neither would I. That's not a true dichotomy.

Re: The world needs at least 600M new jobs in the next decade for young people

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Post by Retra »

matwood wrote: post #331
relevanttoad wrote: post #64

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>> You apply for a bunch of jobs, maybe you'll hear nothing back, or when you do, it feels random and disjointed. Then apply for places where you actually see yourself wanting to work; even if it's McDonalds, people need to eat, a career in the food service industry might be rewarding if that's what you find you like doing. Or join the military, every country needs a strong military. Or join a non-profit, build a res…

> Or join the military, every country needs a strong military. It's funny how looked down upon this is. If I said, hey come work for me for 4 years. During that time you will get paid, get lodging and likely do some traveling. Oh, and you'll learn some skills. If you want to go to college up front and be an MD for example, I'll go ahead and pay for that and you can work for me for 6 years after gaining valuable exper…

Not everyone can join the military, and there are a lot of people that shouldn't.
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