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Police stop guarding embassy refuge of Julian Assange

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Re: Police stop guarding embassy refuge of Julian Assange

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Post by toyg »

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #28
vxxzy wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US brought down a Presidential Plane in Search of Snowden. Any sort of bag/crate big enough to fit a person would be opened immediately.

I'd send hundreds of them, every one full of old socks or something. Make it very expensive/annoying for them.

There is nothing to gain for Ecuador by escalating the situation. Already they spent a lot of political capital and goodwill vs US/UK by hosting Assange in the face of overwhelming hostility, cracking practical jokes at the MET would only make things worse.

Re: Police stop guarding embassy refuge of Julian Assange

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Post by nmc »

TrevorJ wrote: post #47
sylvinus wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty easy to find reasonable multiples on your assumptions. It's London and they might not be average policemen: salary x2 ; Overtime/nighttime: x2, Administrative overhead (they must spend time reporting, at the precinct, ...): x2 ; Multiple policemen (1 would not be enough to act): x3-x5 ; Management of those officers & briefings: x2-x3 ; That's already ~x100 and it's human costs only.

I don't think that adds up to x100 or even close but I see where you are coming from.

Actually it adds (or, should I write, multiply) up to x48 if you take the lower bounds and x120 for the higher bounds that sylvinus provided above.

Re: Police stop guarding embassy refuge of Julian Assange

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Post by minority-one »

polack wrote: post #27
appleflaxen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if you are being facetious, but that's actually exactly the right question to ask. Not only would it be great to explicitly know the exact number, but that number should be the same no matter who the victim (or perpetrator) is.

I was actually being serious and I agree with you that it would be good with a defined number.

If you're being serious then I'll give you a serious answer.

Exempli gratia, let's pretend I was raped. I should be able to reify my victimhood and sell it to a lawyer, thereby transferring to that lawyer the right to extract compensation from the perpetrator.

Now there's a market for it and the price is whatever a lawyer is willing to pay. You will quickly see a market form around it. This was done in Medieval Iceland for longer than the United States has been a country, so mind your glass ceiling when criticizing this idea.

Re: Police stop guarding embassy refuge of Julian Assange

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Post by dazc »

ma2rten wrote: post #37
yc1010 wrote: post #3

"The estimated cost of the police presence is more than £12m." So who should get fired for such a waste of police resources?

Where do these prices come from anyway? According to Google the average salary of a police man in England is £30,000 and they work about 40 hours per week. So it should cost £126,000 station one person for 24/7. Now I understand that real costs will be higher for various reasons, but 100x?

Don't overlook the fact that the cost of employing someone is more than the sum of their salary?

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Post by jessaustin »

FireBeyond wrote: post #48
ma2rten wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do these prices come from anyway? According to Google the average salary of a police man in England is £30,000 and they work about 40 hours per week. So it should cost £126,000 station one person for 24/7. Now I understand that real costs will be higher for various reasons, but 100x?

Look at the attached picture. I count EIGHT officers in that picture alone. Add to that the multipliers previously posted and you can rapidly approach that kind of cost. I'm not sure why 8 officers would be required to keep an eye on one door for one person, but that's a tangential question...

Perhaps they suspected an escape or extradition attempt with a well-funded commando-style raid?

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Post by talmand »

icebraining wrote: post #45
realusername wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the charges were dropped by the girls a long time ago, it's just justice paperwork now if I remember.

I don't know about Sweden, but at least here in Portugal rape is what is called a "public crime", that is, there is no need for charges to be pressed for it to be prosecuted.

I'm curious. Is this that all that is needed to be prosecuted for a public crime such as this is for someone to accuse you? Whether they are connected to the alleged crime or not? Whether there is a victim or not? For that matter, how can one be prosecuted with no charges?

I think I may be misunderstanding the context of the terms.

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Post by roguecoder »

realusername wrote: post #34
polack wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So whats the limit on how much society should spend to seek justice if someone raped you?

I think the charges were dropped by the girls a long time ago, it's just justice paperwork now if I remember.

The statute of limitations ran out on three of the four charges. That is quite different than the charges being dropped. The fourth charge is still within the statute of limitations and will be for another 10 years.
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