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The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by jqm »

vacri wrote: post #80
EdSharkey wrote: post #37

To me, code is much more of a long term threat to the power structure than intellectual property theft is. I'm wondering how long before we have government-sanctioned libraries, languages, and chipsets that we may develop for. I see this TPP as power consolidating ahead of any looming citizen revolt in order to chop it off at the knees. It's very weird and awesome to watch. I do chuckle about all this though because…

"I could create the replacement to the internet and destroy the current corporate powers in doing so. And despite this replacement's power, it'd be designed in a way that governments could never infringe on it. I just don't because I have a comfy job"? Oh, please.

What wires/wavelengths is this free internet going to run on?

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by zanny »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #39
bediger4000 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like your optimism, bully for you, and that's a great idea. But I fear that the ISP/"rightsholder" conglomerates, like Comcast/NBC, will only let very select, RIAA and MPAA owned content through.

>will only let very select, RIAA and MPAA owned content through What do you mean? Comcast/NBC will only let RIAA and MPAA broadcast over their networks? No indies?

They already give priority in their cable packages, and they already own Hulu.

Content delivery is controlled by content creating big media IP holders. Obviously they will try to keep competition down, especially new media that understands how the Internet makes information free.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by EdSharkey »

dtroja wrote: post #73
EdSharkey wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally draw a distinction between the gigantic-sized stuff the US federal government does (military and wars, fiscal and monetary policy, taxes, transfer payment programs) and the medium-sized stuff (HUD, EPA, FCC, etc.) The medium sized stuff can be steered by the adminstration in power. The people you elect can exert influence in those areas, I mean. But the huge stuff is out of their control. The military es…

With respect, I understand many people viewed that one training event with skepticism. I'm not going to try and change your mind. I would, however, like to address the idea that "training for training's sake" has no value. Tough, frequent, realistic training is exactly what is required to keep certain parts of the military prepared. I'm not talking about logisticians or acquisitions types. Personnel turnover is a pro…

I agree with everything you've said except the last paragraph. Training the troops is important! Too bad the knuckleheads in power did nothing to explain or justify the size/scope/location of the exercise, maybe it would have been worthwhile.

Sounds like you think it would have been okay though. Want to sell me on rolling tanks, helicopters, and troops through town? Can they fire their guns and cannons (with blanks)? What limits would you put on the exercise if you were in charge or is everything the military does reasonable?

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by [deleted] »

smtddr wrote: post #23
oldmanjay wrote: post #3

I still feel strongly that disrupting the flow of free entertainment is the one thing that will actually get people up and protesting. Rights and freedoms stripped away with regularity have minimal impact, but SOPA got the world riled up in fear that torrenting the next season of Game of Thrones was about to get mildly more difficult. I suspect something similar will happen here.

Maybe... should have seen what happened when wikipedia disappeared for a day: http://laughingsquid.com/herpderpedia-a-collection-of-tweets...

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Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by EdSharkey »

vacri wrote: post #80
EdSharkey wrote: post #37

To me, code is much more of a long term threat to the power structure than intellectual property theft is. I'm wondering how long before we have government-sanctioned libraries, languages, and chipsets that we may develop for. I see this TPP as power consolidating ahead of any looming citizen revolt in order to chop it off at the knees. It's very weird and awesome to watch. I do chuckle about all this though because…

"I could create the replacement to the internet and destroy the current corporate powers in doing so. And despite this replacement's power, it'd be designed in a way that governments could never infringe on it. I just don't because I have a comfy job"? Oh, please.

You lack imagination! There are so many ways to deliver what the internet delivers today that you have not considered. I wouldn't even have to foresake our current software ecosystem built up around tcp and http. Keep your YouTube and Twitter for as long as you'd like.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by YokoZar »

stock_toaster wrote: post #71
mistercow wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They'll make fraudulent take-down notices a serious crime IIRC this is already the case with the DMCA. I'm pretty sure you have to affirm under penalty of perjury that your claim is in good faith.

I beleive the perjury clause applies to whether you represent who you claim to represent (eg. not saying you are a lawyer for SomeCorp when you are not). As pkinsky said, I think you only have to meet a "good faith standard" that you think the thing you are filing against is actually infringing.

In practice you don't even need to make a "good faith" claim that you actually have a copyright at all -- no company has ever been punished for sending takedown notices for things that are clearly in the public domain.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by frik »

rubbingalcohol wrote: post #9

One thing EFF left out re: DMCA-style takedown laws: TPP member nations are required to require takedowns of content whenever a copyright owner _alleges_ there is infringement. But there is no requirement for a counter-notice or dispute process to get content restored. This could be a wholesale censorship process in countries that decide to have more restrictive laws.

I would like to see a TTIP analyses as well (US EU).

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by zanny »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #75
striking wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Sanders gets less attention and is campaigning based on the facts rather than his personality. But although he tends to vote the same as many other Democrats, he is very dangerous to moneyed interests in politics. No one's bothered to fix that for a long time.

> he is very dangerous to moneyed interests in politics Which is exactly why he can't win: those moneyed interests have...money. Citizens United eviscerated of at least the appearance of a democracy.

Meanwhile, the DNC is ignoring Larry Lessing in any way it can, despite him meeting fund raising goals and being pretty much the third most serious contender since Biden has not even announced yet.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by zanny »

oldmanjay wrote: post #3

I still feel strongly that disrupting the flow of free entertainment is the one thing that will actually get people up and protesting. Rights and freedoms stripped away with regularity have minimal impact, but SOPA got the world riled up in fear that torrenting the next season of Game of Thrones was about to get mildly more difficult. I suspect something similar will happen here.

Except in the US we already have most of those regulations. Seeding torrents is already a criminal copyright violation. It is just not being exploited as a means to supress users as much as it could be, probably because the power base is not centralized enough yet to suppress the revolt it would cause (not a physical revolt, just a cultural one, and it would obviously not be pervasive, but isolated to those of us who actually even give a damn).

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by zanny »

dantiberian wrote: post #18

From an NZ perspective this isn't great, but it could have been a lot worse. The EFF didn't mention that NZ isn't required to allow software and medical patents which was my greatest feared outcome.

I cannot believe the US is trying to spread the cancer of software patents abroad. That is just so completely evil and stupid its insane.
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