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The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by stock_toaster »

mistercow wrote: post #25
adventured wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'll make fraudulent take-down notices a serious crime, and make a few high profile examples. That'll stop the vast majority of it (more sophisticated people will continue the trolling). Studios might also choose to push for an authenticated scheme instead. Their account gets certified (eg on YouTube), and content on that certified account becomes exempted. There are relatively few hollywood houses that would need…

> They'll make fraudulent take-down notices a serious crime IIRC this is already the case with the DMCA. I'm pretty sure you have to affirm under penalty of perjury that your claim is in good faith.

I beleive the perjury clause applies to whether you represent who you claim to represent (eg. not saying you are a lawyer for SomeCorp when you are not). As pkinsky said, I think you only have to meet a "good faith standard" that you think the thing you are filing against is actually infringing.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by brandon272 »

bluehazed wrote: post #15
nostromo wrote: post #11

I think the EFF is being a bit hyperbolic here. This is certainly not all that we feared. TPP actually seems fairly banal from a U.S. perspective, in part because so much of what is listed here directly mirrors U.S. law. (Laws like the length of copyright and the DMCA.) From the issues listed, I don't see how life will change online after TPP for U.S. citizens in any major way. This seems positively mild compared to…

As a Canadian, this terrifies me. I don't want US style copyright law here. Just because the US has it, doesn't mean the rest of the world wants it (or isn't a big deal if it's implemented)

Don't forget to vote in 10 days.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Post by dtroja »

EdSharkey wrote: post #66
jacobolus wrote: post #44

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> The Jade Helm scare-o-tron rollout was completely botched and scrapped as far as I can tell. Can you explain what you mean? As far as I can tell Jade Helm was a fairly routine military training exercise, which was latched onto by a group of conspiracy nuts. What’s a “scare-o-tron rollout”?

I personally draw a distinction between the gigantic-sized stuff the US federal government does (military and wars, fiscal and monetary policy, taxes, transfer payment programs) and the medium-sized stuff (HUD, EPA, FCC, etc.) The medium sized stuff can be steered by the adminstration in power. The people you elect can exert influence in those areas, I mean. But the huge stuff is out of their control. The military es…

With respect, I understand many people viewed that one training event with skepticism. I'm not going to try and change your mind. I would, however, like to address the idea that "training for training's sake" has no value.

Tough, frequent, realistic training is exactly what is required to keep certain parts of the military prepared. I'm not talking about logisticians or acquisitions types. Personnel turnover is a problem. People must learn how to work together. For people like you and I, we have the opportunity to learn to work with our coworkers... every day! In the military, a service member only really learns how to work with their coworkers during these kinds of exercises. When it's cold. When it's dark. When everyone is tired and hungry.

You've also suggested that "the military has the tactics and hardware to engage in urban settings down pat" ... and you're absolutely correct. Senior personnel have lessons learned. Those lessons are captured in various documents. However, much like a start-up, execution is everything. The execution comes from personnel who typically have just a few years experience. There is an enormous amount of knowledge which must be transferred in a short period of time. These training events are how the lessons and doctrine are shared with those junior leaders. Classroom instruction is not sufficient.

Finally, I will disagree that the training event was "odd in it's conception." Certain parts of the military perform these kinds of exercises regularly. The only part of this exercise which was odd was the amount of attention it garnered.

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Post by unclebucknasty »

NhanH wrote: post #56
iamadam wrote: post #54

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The nation state is dead unless Donald Trump manages to pull off a victory.

Yep, I don't know what Trump will lead US into (and I don't think it will necessary be worse than any other president in this day and age). But any mainstream candidate from GOP or Democrat will certainly lead to more TPP.

It doesn't much matter who is in the role, as it is exactly that: a role.

Even without conspiracy theories regarding secret cabals that rule the world from the shadows, there is overwhelming inertia baked into the system itself.

A fairly recent study that I very vaguely recall pointed to this fact: the conclusion being that it is extraordinarily difficult to effect change within systems that are essentially self-perpetuating.

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Post by unclebucknasty »

striking wrote: post #61
NhanH wrote: post #58

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No they are not: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/stop-comparing-donald-tr... Notably #6 in the article.

So Sanders gets less attention and is campaigning based on the facts rather than his personality. But although he tends to vote the same as many other Democrats, he is very dangerous to moneyed interests in politics. No one's bothered to fix that for a long time.

>he is very dangerous to moneyed interests in politics

Which is exactly why he can't win: those moneyed interests have...money.

Citizens United eviscerated of at least the appearance of a democracy.

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Post by uxcn »

yrro wrote: post #64
walterbell wrote: post #50

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Corporate lawsuits against governments at the World Bank (ISDS) can offer data on the balance of power between states and corporations. See this Aussie explainer video, in the style of the Daily Show: https://youtube.com/watch?v=M4-mlGRPmkU More at http://www.isdscorporateattacks.org & https://icsid.worldbank.org Water: Azurix v. Argentina Investor win (awarded $165 million plus interest) Ban of toxic fuel additive:…

This is incredible. Reading the details of the cases listed on that site makes me feel sick. And there is absolutely nothing I can do about it.

Claire Patterson was able to run a successful one man campaign against lead in our products.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clair_Cameron_Patterson#Campai...

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Post by walterbell »

adventured wrote: post #19
3pt14159 wrote: post #12

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Well the studios will obviously pressure content sites to include a dispute process, otherwise trolls from 4chan will issue DMCA takedowns right back at them.

They'll make fraudulent take-down notices a serious crime, and make a few high profile examples. That'll stop the vast majority of it (more sophisticated people will continue the trolling). Studios might also choose to push for an authenticated scheme instead. Their account gets certified (eg on YouTube), and content on that certified account becomes exempted. There are relatively few hollywood houses that would need…

It's not just individual links, it's also entire sites, http://motherboard.vice.com/read/internet-providers-would-be...

"Under the agreement, it appears that internet service providers could be forced to block websites hosting content that infringes copyright ... if a US court were to, say, find that a popular filesharing website was distributing copyrighted Hollywood movies, ISPs in all TPP countries would be compelled to block access to that site."

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Post by dghughes »

ddingus wrote: post #63
EdSharkey wrote: post #37

To me, code is much more of a long term threat to the power structure than intellectual property theft is. I'm wondering how long before we have government-sanctioned libraries, languages, and chipsets that we may develop for. I see this TPP as power consolidating ahead of any looming citizen revolt in order to chop it off at the knees. It's very weird and awesome to watch. I do chuckle about all this though because…

>>>I'm wondering how long before we have government-sanctioned libraries, languages, and chipsets that we may develop for. "You there! STOP!" "Huh?" "We've got you on record for bootstrapping, machine code, and compiler writing!" "so?" "That's a threat, and you are going to have to come with us and register." "Register for what?" "As a weapon. We need to know where you are and who you associate with..."

Your hands are deadly weapons.

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Post by 137 »

nostromo wrote: post #11

I think the EFF is being a bit hyperbolic here. This is certainly not all that we feared. TPP actually seems fairly banal from a U.S. perspective, in part because so much of what is listed here directly mirrors U.S. law. (Laws like the length of copyright and the DMCA.) From the issues listed, I don't see how life will change online after TPP for U.S. citizens in any major way. This seems positively mild compared to…

The whole idea of economic integration is a slow incremental approach. I support a global government but not one that ignores popular sovereignty, natural rights and is marred in bureaucratic lobbyist-infused asinine laws.

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Post by vacri »

EdSharkey wrote: post #37

To me, code is much more of a long term threat to the power structure than intellectual property theft is. I'm wondering how long before we have government-sanctioned libraries, languages, and chipsets that we may develop for. I see this TPP as power consolidating ahead of any looming citizen revolt in order to chop it off at the knees. It's very weird and awesome to watch. I do chuckle about all this though because…

"I could create the replacement to the internet and destroy the current corporate powers in doing so. And despite this replacement's power, it'd be designed in a way that governments could never infringe on it. I just don't because I have a comfy job"? Oh, please.
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