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Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by wdewind » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 11:12 PM UTC

scoreponok wrote: post #97

wdewind wrote: post #94

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> We also eat very healthy in general as a family. Lots of pasta with clam sauce, red sauce, alfredo sauce. Lots of vegetables. Avocados. Clementines. I'd urge you to change your frame of reference from "certain foods are healthy or not" to "certain foods are optimal for certain scenarios." Pasta in clam sauce is a pretty calorically dense food, and while there is nothing toxic about it, it's difficult to argue that…

> Americans they need to reduce carbs and fat and increase protein to move towards a healthy diet The majority of Americans consume more than the recommended daily intake of protein, the source of which is mostly red meat, which is arguably a less healthy diet. I do agree that the average American consume to many carbs, and again, from sub-optimal sources. What need to happen is an increase in fruits and vegetables w…

I agree that the average American consumes more than the recommended daily intake, but the recommended daily intake is complete bullshit. It's 50g, it should be more than double that. It's a class issue: protein is expensive.

The red meat stuff is controversial. From everything I've read, including the China Study, I've come to the conclusion that a lot of red meat in an otherwise healthy diet is probably fine. Who knows though. There definitely isn't clear science there.

I totally agree that in general vegetable intake needs to increase. Fruits are ok, but not great because of the fructose. I don't really think fruits are a necessary part of a healthy diet, but they certainly can be.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by wdewind » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 11:21 PM UTC

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #100

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Sorry, but it's pretty unlikely this is true. The biggest TDEE difference seen in studies is about a 300 calorie difference for people of the same weight (so not enough to have 150lbs people recklessly eating thousands of calories and not gaining weight). It's very likely you have members of your family who don't eat a lot day to day and eat a ton at family gatherings etc. If I'm wrong here I have a lot of scientists…

I'm one of those people. Ate like a horse; constantly hungry for decades growing up. Bring on the scientists!

Growing up is a pretty metabolically stressful activity. It's not uncommon to be able to eat huge amounts and not get fat while you are growing.

There are certainly fully matured people who can eat more than other fully matured people who are the same size and weight, but the amount they can eat more is like a cookie a day maybe.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 11:50 PM UTC

wdewind wrote: post #102

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #100

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I'm one of those people. Ate like a horse; constantly hungry for decades growing up. Bring on the scientists!

Growing up is a pretty metabolically stressful activity. It's not uncommon to be able to eat huge amounts and not get fat while you are growing. There are certainly fully matured people who can eat more than other fully matured people who are the same size and weight, but the amount they can eat more is like a cookie a day maybe.

Obesity in America is a youth problem today. Can't argue that away with level of activity or environment, not with such dramatically different outcomes. But anyway, beating a dead horse.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by plonh » Sat, Oct 10, 2015, 3:23 AM UTC

357463 wrote: post #83

scoreponok wrote: post #67

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>Modern day humans no longer trust the instincts they have developed over millions of years ... or what kind of foods to eat. Really? This is a naturalistic fallacy. It's out precisely our instincts that cause us to overeat. As has been pointed out our instincts haven't adapted to the abundance and availability of food seen today. In an environment where food is scarce it is evolutionary advantageous to ensure your b…

Yet humans have eyes and can see they are fat. They have the instinct to know what type of body looks healthy or unhealthy. Also every human knows that eating less food will reduce their weight. Whether we have the ability to change our habits is another question but is unrelated to my proposition.

The notion that fat people are unhealthy is a modern notion. Look at the paintings in the Louvre.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by plonh » Sat, Oct 10, 2015, 3:24 AM UTC

ElijahLynn wrote: post #32

Drinking the milk from another species designed to grow that species babies is wrong. Would you even drink human milk designed for human babies as a grown adult?

Yes, better to eat the eggs of another species before they become babies, like snakes do.

Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?

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Post by nnain » Sat, Oct 10, 2015, 6:08 AM UTC

codyb wrote: post #46

I love whole milk. Plain and simple. It's delicious. It's got a ton of good fat and protein in it. My entire family drinks it and always has. We're all of healthy weight (my brother and I are actually pretty skinny, although he has a bit of a gut now that he's 32, I'm still 25 and because of handstands and pull ups you can see my abs a bit). We also eat very healthy in general as a family. Lots of pasta with clam sau…

Same here, I find whole milk delicious and healthy; it's been a big part of our family's diet (we're vegetarian).

What I find more ridiculous though is how the food industry sells Whey, Casein and Cheese separately at up-marked prices and people have bought into the idea that it's ok to consume these milk by-products separately while avoiding milk.