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I have examined enough human intestines, macroscopically, microscopically, and biochemically, to feel fairly confident this is not in fact something to worry about.
Not worry about which? Homogenized milk, or shaking it up? Either?
For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?
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Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?
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Right. Homogenization should not impact fatty acid chain length. Dairy systems are complicated though, and there are protein interactions that help the emulsion by supporting the formation of micelles[1]. It's the same stuff after pasteurization, just distributed differently. Pasteurization is an entirely different matter though. Heat treatment will convert some fraction of lactose into smaller sugars, including its…
How did you learn? I learned about lipase when I was a kid and followed my dad around at the farm. According to him it was the lipase in the homogenized whole milk that made the difference in taste that I recognized between milk from the storage tank on the farm and bought milk. Reading up on it now it seems to be a bit more complicated but still.
I have some formal training in biology, but I'm certainly no expert and may be incorrect. What I do know is that dairy systems are complicated.
Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?
#93I love whole milk. Plain and simple. It's delicious. It's got a ton of good fat and protein in it. My entire family drinks it and always has. We're all of healthy weight (my brother and I are actually pretty skinny, although he has a bit of a gut now that he's 32, I'm still 25 and because of handstands and pull ups you can see my abs a bit). We also eat very healthy in general as a family. Lots of pasta with clam sau…
It's worth noting that a healthy weight accompanied by healthy exercise doesn't necessarily prevent heart disease. There's this perception that those at risk are overweight, and that isn't necessarily true. If you look at a country like the Philippines (and probably other similar countries) you'll see plenty of people at a healthy weight who live an active lifestyle that are at extremely high risk of heart disease. T…
a) As you mentioned, smoking is a huge confounder in your example
b) A lot of congenital heart disease is not preventable via dietary intervention. For people who do require dietary intervention it's going to depend on the disease. For a small portion of people, for instance, eating low cholesterol is important, but the vast majority it makes no difference. For these people eating low cholesterol is the biggest difference, not a generally balanced diet.
c) There is a ton of science showing massive improvements in heart disease outcomes from losing weight.
I'm not saying eating a balanced diet doesn't matter, but for most people actually being a healthy weight is the most important thing, and for many others the dietary intervention is pretty specific, ie: not low cholesterol not "eat a balanced diet."
Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?
#94I love whole milk. Plain and simple. It's delicious. It's got a ton of good fat and protein in it. My entire family drinks it and always has. We're all of healthy weight (my brother and I are actually pretty skinny, although he has a bit of a gut now that he's 32, I'm still 25 and because of handstands and pull ups you can see my abs a bit). We also eat very healthy in general as a family. Lots of pasta with clam sau…
I'd urge you to change your frame of reference from "certain foods are healthy or not" to "certain foods are optimal for certain scenarios." Pasta in clam sauce is a pretty calorically dense food, and while there is nothing toxic about it, it's difficult to argue that many people need another calorically dense food, especially one that is low in protein.
This is not to say carbs and fat are bad, but that for the vast majority of Americans they need to reduce carbs and fat and increase protein to move towards a healthy diet.
Relevant the op, and your point about milk being high protein, milk could be a way for this to happen.
Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?
#95I love whole milk. Plain and simple. It's delicious. It's got a ton of good fat and protein in it. My entire family drinks it and always has. We're all of healthy weight (my brother and I are actually pretty skinny, although he has a bit of a gut now that he's 32, I'm still 25 and because of handstands and pull ups you can see my abs a bit). We also eat very healthy in general as a family. Lots of pasta with clam sau…
Sometimes genes are a good bit of it. In my family we have ~150lb people who eat endlessly, thousands of calories a day. 6 ft tall, thin as a rail. Many of them. So that's got to be genes.
If I'm wrong here I have a lot of scientists who would like to examine your family.
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I don't agree. The human body tells you when things are right or wrong. It is about the effects, not whether it is a new stimulus that caused those effects.
I used the sun example because a few years ago scientist had everyone avoiding the sun and now they have realised that sun exposure is important. Scientists literally have no idea what they are doing. Tans look good and the sun feels good. That is what guides me and it is a much more reliable source of knowledge than science.
Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?
#97I love whole milk. Plain and simple. It's delicious. It's got a ton of good fat and protein in it. My entire family drinks it and always has. We're all of healthy weight (my brother and I are actually pretty skinny, although he has a bit of a gut now that he's 32, I'm still 25 and because of handstands and pull ups you can see my abs a bit). We also eat very healthy in general as a family. Lots of pasta with clam sau…
> We also eat very healthy in general as a family. Lots of pasta with clam sauce, red sauce, alfredo sauce. Lots of vegetables. Avocados. Clementines. I'd urge you to change your frame of reference from "certain foods are healthy or not" to "certain foods are optimal for certain scenarios." Pasta in clam sauce is a pretty calorically dense food, and while there is nothing toxic about it, it's difficult to argue that…
The majority of Americans consume more than the recommended daily intake of protein, the source of which is mostly red meat, which is arguably a less healthy diet. I do agree that the average American consume to many carbs, and again, from sub-optimal sources. What need to happen is an increase in fruits and vegetables which most American are sorely deficient in.
Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?
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this is only anecdotal but in Europe I never had trouble digesting milk. The milk they sell in the US makes me feel bloated. It also tastes differently. Obviously that's not a scientific study but for me it's good enough to conclude that something is different.
FWIW milk in Germany is also often (most of the time?) homogenized. And it tastes differently depending on the "manufacturer" (the company, not the cows). *Also PSA: Europe is many different countries, not a single one like the US. So it doesn't make much sense to say "in Europe", because there are huge differences between countries ;-)
I am not talking about "H-Milch" in tetra paks :-)
Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
FWIW milk in Germany is also often (most of the time?) homogenized. And it tastes differently depending on the "manufacturer" (the company, not the cows). *Also PSA: Europe is many different countries, not a single one like the US. So it doesn't make much sense to say "in Europe", because there are huge differences between countries ;-)
To me the main difference is that in Europe it's possible to get unpasteurized milk whereas in the US it's hard to do so. I am not talking about "H-Milch" in tetra paks :-)
Re: For decades, government steered millions away from whole milk. Was that wrong?
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Sometimes genes are a good bit of it. In my family we have ~150lb people who eat endlessly, thousands of calories a day. 6 ft tall, thin as a rail. Many of them. So that's got to be genes.
Sorry, but it's pretty unlikely this is true. The biggest TDEE difference seen in studies is about a 300 calorie difference for people of the same weight (so not enough to have 150lbs people recklessly eating thousands of calories and not gaining weight). It's very likely you have members of your family who don't eat a lot day to day and eat a ton at family gatherings etc. If I'm wrong here I have a lot of scientists…