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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by Someone1234 »

Karunamon wrote: post #435
Someone1234 wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those two lines do different things. They're not analogous. The equivalent to the UNIX line above in Powershell is: ls "C:\app\*.log" -R | sls "Error" | sort You cannot just tack on a bunch of extra requirements for Powershell (grouping, sorting by certain things and in a certain order) and then not include them in the UNIX example, that's disingenuous/misleading. The only big difference between PS and UNIX in an act…

Hence "I can think of". That was copypasta from an internal wiki. I don't appreciate being accused of "disingenousness" from an off the cuff example. By the way, your example is precisely 12 characters longer than mine and still multiple times shorter than the equivalent PS, so if your goal was to somehow disprove PowerShell's annoying verboseness rather than snark at me, you failed.

> I don't appreciate being accused of "disingenousness" from an off the cuff example.

Then check your examples before you post them to make a specific point. It is a point of fact that calling those two things "analogous" is incorrect, and your offense doesn't change that fact.

You also specifically said "I can think of" implying that you created the examples rather than that you got them from an "internal wiki." The fact that you said you thought of the UNIX example gives me solid ground to describe the created example as disingenuous.

I cannot help it if you're being misleading about how your got your examples.

> By the way, your example is precisely 12 characters longer than mine and still multiple times shorter than the equivalent PS, so if your goal was to somehow disprove PowerShell's annoying verboseness rather than snark at me, you failed.

My point was your examples were poorly constructed and misleading. I proved my point I believe. The difference between my accurate example of PS and your inaccurate example are night and day.

I'll leave it up to the reader to decide if PS's syntax is more to their liking. I just think they should start off with accurate information so they can form an accurate determination themselves.

In other words I won't get drawn into comparing my PS example with your UNIX example. I just want both examples to be truly analogous of one another.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by tmd83 »

MatthiasP wrote: post #276

That's what the OEMs get for not being able to put out a laptop that could compete with Apple in all those years, they always managed to introduce some fatal flaw in their premium laptops, from weird keyboard layouts to bad fan management software. Let's hope the Surface Book will be succesful and Apple finally gets serious competition in the premium laptop market.

This! At least from the initial look and spec it looks like they did a lot of the things right and put effort in making this nice. Yes there are things that maybe I can get by without but the basics looks fantastic.

You don't chip $50 off a premium laptop and make it crappy. OEM just keeps making too many model at every price point .. at every 20 dollars it feels like. While I hate the almost singular choice for OsX .. both for Windows and Android I think there is just too many price points and when you try to reduce by 5-10-20 dollar you skip things that seems not so essentially but the degradation in experience is much more than the money saved.

What I really hope from this is that it shows the OEM that there are enough interest in quality product and also let them know what are some of the things that people really care about like the build quality, nice keyboard/touchpad etc. Beyond this particular laptop my real wish is that it motivates and gives confidence to the windows OEM. We really do need some good windows laptop even if to just to run linux :).

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by masklinn »

Joeri wrote: post #72
Osmium wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To me, OS/X's quality has been slipping, I'm amused to see the 'OS/X' typo still lives on, more than a decade since OS/2's been relevant :) On topic, I've just upgraded to the latest version of OS X and it really seems rock solid. Fastest, most stable, and most secure version yet. Still a bit of an evolutionary dead end though, in that there have been no moves to add touch support beyond multitouch trackpads. I adm…

Probably apple's next move is not to add touch to os x but to release an iOS laptop to replace the MacBook air, they could call it an iBook. It's pretty clear OS X is legacy tech and on the roadmap for being phased out.

The MBA is already replaced, that's what the "new Macbook" is, an MBA replacement. The iBook brand was replaced by the Macbook brand and isn't going to come back (the name would collide with ibooks anyway).

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by mikestew »

Osmium wrote: post #425
mikestew wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd buy an iPad Pro tomorrow...if only it ran Xcode. But I can't justify $1200 or more if I doesn't help me to get my work done. At that price, and admittedly for my purposes, the iPad Pro is just a very large and very expensive gadget. The really annoying thing is that these days a late-model iPad probably has most of the horsepower needed to pull it off.

For me it's "I'd buy an iPad Pro tomorrow...if only it ran Xcode [and had a terminal]." It can be heavily sandboxed as far as I care, I just need a proper Unix terminal. The trouble with Xcode is that it just needs so much screen real estate, I just can't see it working very well on iOS.

I assume you mean a terminal for the local machine, not an SSH session to another machine, in which case Panic's Prompt is what you want for SSH.

I'm with you in that I'd like a local terminal, but I could live without if I had Xcode on the box and some sort of full-screen editing mode. Working with storyboards would indeed suck, though.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by souljaswag »

voiceclonr wrote: post #207

Page looks bad and it loads so slow! At some point, the msdn pages were awesomely fast and I would've imagined they spent more time on load testing for such a crucial day. That aside, the product looks very interesting. I was a Windows user for a long time and switched to Mac in the last few years. This makes me want to give the newbie a try.

shit didn't render properly for me

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by masklinn »

Osmium wrote: post #425
mikestew wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd buy an iPad Pro tomorrow...if only it ran Xcode. But I can't justify $1200 or more if I doesn't help me to get my work done. At that price, and admittedly for my purposes, the iPad Pro is just a very large and very expensive gadget. The really annoying thing is that these days a late-model iPad probably has most of the horsepower needed to pull it off.

For me it's "I'd buy an iPad Pro tomorrow...if only it ran Xcode [and had a terminal]." It can be heavily sandboxed as far as I care, I just need a proper Unix terminal. The trouble with Xcode is that it just needs so much screen real estate, I just can't see it working very well on iOS.

There are terminal emulators on iOS already, that's not the issue, but not having a local filesystem means it's only useful for remoting, there's nothing a terminal will let you do on the device (unless it's jailbroken)

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by ckozlowski »

Karunamon wrote: post #374
Someone1234 wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cumbersome or you just aren't familiar with it yet? The whole design of PS is meant to make it so you can "guess" the names of cmdlets you've never used before. Everything is Verb-Noun, Get-Service, New-Service, Restart-Service, Stop-Service, etc. Discoverability is valued over succinctness.

Which is fine when you're starting out, but infinitely frustrating after you have an idea of what you're doing. A recent example, looking for errors in windows logs: Get-Childitem "C:\Windows\" -recurse -Include *.log ` | Select-String "Error" -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue ` | Group-Object filename | Sort-Object count -descending Closest *NIX analogue I can think of would be grep -r Error /var/log/ | sort English is…

I'd agree it's a bit more to type out, but it does seem to make more sense from a readability perspective. And for those of us who didn't grow up with the UNIX shell to understand the reasons why things were kept so short, it's a bit easier to digest. (I do appreciate why bash is so short and succulent. =)

But really, taking the above into consideration, the might in powershell comes not from the terms used, in my opinion, but how it works on things. With grep for example, you're parsing a file. If say, you wanted to filter on that more, you'd be using awk to pick out parts of the text.

In Powershell, everything's an object. Everything's already an object, you don't need to pick the file apart to isolate the date, you just filter on the date object. It's got a data type.

That makes it really powerful, in my opinion.

(Example largely pulled from "Windows Powershell in Action". I really like this book, as it goes into detail to describe /why/ things are they way they are in PowerShell, because he wrote it. =) https://www.manning.com/books/windows-powershell-in-action-s...

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by ypcx »

MatthiasP wrote: post #276

That's what the OEMs get for not being able to put out a laptop that could compete with Apple in all those years, they always managed to introduce some fatal flaw in their premium laptops, from weird keyboard layouts to bad fan management software. Let's hope the Surface Book will be succesful and Apple finally gets serious competition in the premium laptop market.

Weird keyboard layouts. Shifting the keyboard off-center to include numeric keypad which no one uses anymore. (Gamers? Please stop.) This alone makes one question what exactly they are "smoking". There wasn't a single big Windows laptop on the market that wouldn't fall into this hole of a flaw.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by asadhaider »

aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

Blocking microsoft-int.com using NoScript fixes the page for me.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by gcb0 »

acaloiar wrote: post #408
ableal wrote: post #372

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Found prices and specs here (redirected from surface.com): http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us Page's not looking too good on Mac Safari, though.

There's a resource on the page ( https://controls.account.microsoft-int.com/me?partner=surfac... ) precluding other resources from loading. Just wait it out.

on firefox, just press ESC when the status bar shows that.
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