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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by 6stringmerc » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:38 PM UTC

nogridbag wrote: post #43

nullrouted wrote: post #3

I think the Surface Book is finally something that can give the MacBook Pro line a run for its money, this should be interesting.

I spent about 1 hour in the Microsoft Store playing with the SP3. I loved toying with it, but I knew that if I wanted to use it for serious software development I would probably dock it with a real keyboard. The Surface Book seems to be the answer. Truly amazing.

Good observation and consistent with a person close to me who got an SP3 for use in a college environment as an instructor. Their experience is that the keyboard is fine for typical use, but the trackpad is awful compared to what they experienced after years of MBP use (remedied by an external mouse). They have small hands and very precise fingers though, so I can see how they are potentially an exception.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by akrolsmir » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:39 PM UTC

gcb0 wrote: post #367

tell me the didn't remove true multitasking from windows (pro no less) faq got me very worried: """ Can I run multiple programs at the same time? A: Your Surface Book allows you to run up to two apps side by side on a screen at a time. You can schedule meetings on your calendar while you respond to email, or edit your PowerPoint deck while you listen to music. """ up to two ...what?!?!

Probably referring to the windowing system that makes it easy to snap two apps side by side, each on half the screen, while in Metro mode. You can probably still go to the "desktop" and multitask however you're used to.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by dom96 » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:39 PM UTC

DuskStar wrote: post #418

liquidise wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Page on a full sized browser on a 13" screen with ublock: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmyi3jjwq25w0d1/surface_book.png?d...

Similarly, on a 13" 1080p chromebook, I get this: http://i.imgur.com/pGhjAwQ.png Turning uBlock off didn't seem to help at all. Edit: after letting it load for 3+ minutes, the page does load successfully, giving this: http://i.imgur.com/qnNlvYj.png So maybe it does work! Eventually.

Pretty sure it's just one of their CDN's failing.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by smackfu » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:40 PM UTC

aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

Apple isn't exactly who I would point to as a good comparison. They have plenty of overdesigned pages: http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by Karunamon » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:40 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #426

Karunamon wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is fine when you're starting out, but infinitely frustrating after you have an idea of what you're doing. A recent example, looking for errors in windows logs: Get-Childitem "C:\Windows\" -recurse -Include *.log ` | Select-String "Error" -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue ` | Group-Object filename | Sort-Object count -descending Closest *NIX analogue I can think of would be grep -r Error /var/log/ | sort English is…

Those two lines do different things. They're not analogous. The equivalent to the UNIX line above in Powershell is: ls "C:\app\*.log" -R | sls "Error" | sort You cannot just tack on a bunch of extra requirements for Powershell (grouping, sorting by certain things and in a certain order) and then not include them in the UNIX example, that's disingenuous/misleading. The only big difference between PS and UNIX in an act…

Hence "I can think of". That was copypasta from an internal wiki. I don't appreciate being accused of "disingenousness" from an off the cuff example.

By the way, your example is precisely 12 characters longer than mine and still multiple times shorter than the equivalent PS, so if your goal was to somehow disprove PowerShell's annoying verboseness rather than snark at me, you failed.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by WorldMaker » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:40 PM UTC

hackuser wrote: post #330

mizzao wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about that, I think you should give the tablet mode a try before you speculate about what it can and can't do. I use my SP2 a lot with the Pen and OneNote, which provides automatically digitized handwriting that is viewable and searchable from any computer. It's a pretty killer app but I would probably still be using pen and paper notebooks before someone integrated a screen and highly accurate pen in on…

Can OneNote data be exported to some open, editable format? I like the idea of OneNote's functionality, but I worry about having my data trapped in that application.

It's an Open Specification file format, at least:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd924743(v=office.1...

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by chx » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:40 PM UTC

As I posted in another thread: I was wondering and after some Googling it seems the dock is not using DisplayLink but some proprietary connector routing DisplayPort and USB3 which means it works with Linux well. This is awesome news.

The keyboard we discussed yesterday https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10334026 is less than an inch bigger in each direction -- I am wondering whether I could replace a laptop with that keyboard and the Surface Pro 4. Previously I wouldn't even consider because of the 8GB limitation but it's possible now with 16GB.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by vdnkh » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:41 PM UTC

slantyyz wrote: post #243

bkjelden wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I use Cmder as my terminal and it works a lot like Mac's terminal What advantages does this provide over the Windows 10 terminal? Windows 10 fixed all of my biggest gripes with cmd.exe

It's more about muscle memory and not having to retrain your brain. After using Mac for such a long time, it's nice to not have to recondition yourself to having to use backslashes or using commands like `dir` instead of `ls`.

Powershell supports both dir and ls

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:41 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #347

We merged https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10340117 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10340022 hither, since there shouldn't be three stories about this on the front page. Since the live event looks done now, we've picked (what I think is?) the most significant product URL to change to from http://www.microsoft.com/october2015event/en-us/live-event . If anyone suggests a better URL we can change it again.

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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by blumkvist » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 6:41 PM UTC

hackuser wrote: post #330

mizzao wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about that, I think you should give the tablet mode a try before you speculate about what it can and can't do. I use my SP2 a lot with the Pen and OneNote, which provides automatically digitized handwriting that is viewable and searchable from any computer. It's a pretty killer app but I would probably still be using pen and paper notebooks before someone integrated a screen and highly accurate pen in on…

Can OneNote data be exported to some open, editable format? I like the idea of OneNote's functionality, but I worry about having my data trapped in that application.

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