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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by acaloiar »

subspaceman wrote: post #399
acaloiar wrote: post #383

This looks like a great step in the right direction for Microsoft, but their marketing copy, "Use it like a clipboard" is profoundly jarring. Why is Microsoft afraid to use the word "tablet"? Clipboard is hardly a synonym.

I don't think they're avoiding calling it a tablet, but highlighting the fact that it can be used like a clipboard - as in papers clipped to a board with the pen stuck on top.

I can only speak for myself, but when I spend $1,500 on an electronic device, I hope that "like a clipboard" is the least accurate analogy for its functionality.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by mpweiher »

r-w wrote: post #413
Karunamon wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is fine when you're starting out, but infinitely frustrating after you have an idea of what you're doing. A recent example, looking for errors in windows logs: Get-Childitem "C:\Windows\" -recurse -Include *.log ` | Select-String "Error" -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue ` | Group-Object filename | Sort-Object count -descending Closest *NIX analogue I can think of would be grep -r Error /var/log/ | sort English is…

Try links and environment variables to substitute long commands and flags, respectively. Fine, it’s not there by default, but as a power user you have the ability to adapt it to your needs. (That would also be a cool fix to release on GitHub for others like you to use as well. Yay hackability!)

Right. When I found out that this was supposed to be the alternative, I almost lost it.

For the thing to become usable, you have to do personal configuration, meaning your system will be unusable to anyone else and theirs will be unusable to you.

Back to the drawing board...

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #294
NDizzle wrote: post #104

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I had a long discussion a few weeks ago with some friends about how in the short term, Apple messed up with iOS/OS X while Microsoft took the hard, long, correct route and made the OS work in both places. This was after the launch of the iPad Pro which is xbox-huge. I was imagining a product which was a MacBook "Base" which you could connect an iPad to as the 'screen' - except you'd have two different OSes that you'd…

Exactly right! The dual operationg system approach was a good short term decision, but I also think that Apple made a mistake, taking a long term view.

I disagree. OS X already has touch support. All Apple has to do is make a touch-sensitive screen for an MBP and add an emulator window for iOS and you have a hardware unit that runs everything.

iOS was originally cut down for performance reasons. Then large parts were locked for security - especially carrier network - security.

Performance isn't an issue, but carrier security is. And I don't think mobile users are going to be happy about having to download a constant stream of unlabelled Windows updates.

Where Apple went wrong was with iTunes, and especially with the horror show involved in getting information into and out of an iDevice. If you have an independent collection of music and books, it's just too clunky.

I bought an Android Galaxy Tab recently, and not only is the screen better than the screen on any iPad, getting books into it is trivially easy.

Either way, I'm glad Cupertino has competition. There's been more than a whiff of complacency from that part of the world in the last year or so, and I hope this makes Cook and Co sit up and stop taking the high end laptop market for granted.

Although gotta say - I'm still amused to see the MS presentation design following the Apple/Jobs presentation style so closely.

Maybe both companies should just merge? That would be interesting...

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by swah »

fumar wrote: post #80

As a Surface Pro 3 user, who saves a Macbook Pro for heavy lifting (like video) at home, I can safely say the MB is getting replaced with the Surface Book. Depending on in-person use, it might also replace the Surface Pro 3. I typically watch Apple's and Google's product launches, have to to say this event was concise and unveiled products in a great forward moving momentum. Solid work Msoft marketing team!

I thought video people used OSX due to the apps available?

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by Osmium »

mikestew wrote: post #394
sz4kerto wrote: post #115

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The big step for that would be XCode for iOS. Currently, iOS is one of the few platforms where the platform does not let you develop for itself.

I'd buy an iPad Pro tomorrow...if only it ran Xcode. But I can't justify $1200 or more if I doesn't help me to get my work done. At that price, and admittedly for my purposes, the iPad Pro is just a very large and very expensive gadget. The really annoying thing is that these days a late-model iPad probably has most of the horsepower needed to pull it off.

For me it's "I'd buy an iPad Pro tomorrow...if only it ran Xcode [and had a terminal]." It can be heavily sandboxed as far as I care, I just need a proper Unix terminal. The trouble with Xcode is that it just needs so much screen real estate, I just can't see it working very well on iOS.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by Someone1234 »

Karunamon wrote: post #374
Someone1234 wrote: post #246

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Cumbersome or you just aren't familiar with it yet? The whole design of PS is meant to make it so you can "guess" the names of cmdlets you've never used before. Everything is Verb-Noun, Get-Service, New-Service, Restart-Service, Stop-Service, etc. Discoverability is valued over succinctness.

Which is fine when you're starting out, but infinitely frustrating after you have an idea of what you're doing. A recent example, looking for errors in windows logs: Get-Childitem "C:\Windows\" -recurse -Include *.log ` | Select-String "Error" -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue ` | Group-Object filename | Sort-Object count -descending Closest *NIX analogue I can think of would be grep -r Error /var/log/ | sort English is…

Those two lines do different things. They're not analogous.

The equivalent to the UNIX line above in Powershell is:

      ls "C:\app\*.log" -R  | sls "Error" | sort
You cannot just tack on a bunch of extra requirements for Powershell (grouping, sorting by certain things and in a certain order) and then not include them in the UNIX example, that's disingenuous/misleading.

The only big difference between PS and UNIX in an actual analogous example is that the PS version of grep gets files fed in one by one and processes them, whereas UNIX's grep processes files itself.

PS - The above Powershell code may not work in 2.0 (2009). You'll need 3.0 (2012) or higher.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by tomtang0514 »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #391
aresant wrote: post #366

Wow, this page is a mess - here's an element based breakdown of the switching elements in their presentation: MSFT: - nav 1 - nav 2 - header with what sounds like a call to action, but no button to buy? - hero image with text overlaid that has terrible contrast nobody will read - inter-page menus with some insane zooming function that scared my browser - another hero image - 3 columns - maybe buttons? no not clickabl…

I'm pretty sure it's a Safari problem (El capitan update I suppose) but I was actually getting massive lag earlier on that iPad Pro page. Upvoted you though be have you're right and your analysis is spot on.

Nope, I'm seeing messed up pages on chrome too.

EDIT: So the page finally loads properly, I guess for some reason it takes forever to load the images. The biggest file is a 3.5MB mp4 while all other images are under 700KB. And the loading speed doesn't change back to normal even with cache enabled. It could be some problematic static file routing and controls.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by PaulHoule »

codeulike wrote: post #177
PaulHoule wrote: post #168

When is somebody going to come out with a convertable that doesn't have a trackpad? Does somebody have a patent that makes it illegal to make a PC without a trackpad or something?

Feedback from the Surface Pro 1 and 2 was that without a decent trackpad they were annoying. As in, they had trackpads but they sucked. Got a lot better with the Pro 3.

Exactly, instead of "get a bigger trackpad" the answer could be "get a mouse".

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by bargl »

Karunamon wrote: post #313
exelius wrote: post #301

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Microsoft's server software is actually top-notch and has been for years. Server 2003 was rough, but after that MS really started improving the management tools and allowing a lot more command line via powershell, etc. And in corporate America, Microsoft's Server products are near-ubiquitous. Consider that most of the in-house workflow tools at any company are built in Sharepoint -- and Sharepoint is actually a great…

At the risk of sounding overly snarky: Top-notch does not mean putting the Goddamned Metro UI, a thing for users on touch screens , on a Goddamned SERVER OS like they did with 2012. It's insanity. Every time I have to RDP into a 2012 machine, I cringe a bit. Whoever was responsible for that decision should be shot, and the corpse fired. For all Microsoft has been doing to improve their standing lately, they still mak…

I've found it much easier to navigate Windows 2012, Windows 8 and Windows 10 with just the keyboard than past versions. Maybe because it has forced me to learn some of the short cuts but I also think the commands have become more powerful.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by dom96 »

engi_nerd wrote: post #91
Osmium wrote: post #52

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> To me, OS/X's quality has been slipping, I'm amused to see the 'OS/X' typo still lives on, more than a decade since OS/2's been relevant :) On topic, I've just upgraded to the latest version of OS X and it really seems rock solid. Fastest, most stable, and most secure version yet. Still a bit of an evolutionary dead end though, in that there have been no moves to add touch support beyond multitouch trackpads. I adm…

The whole discoveryd fiasco was the final straw for me with regards to having a Mac. Having such serious networking issues in your primary OS and not fixing them for almost a year after release tells me something is rotten in the Kingdom of Apple. Yes, the issue was eventually fixed, but I'm done with Apple. They have lost my trust.

My girlfriend is still having networking issues on her MBP. I asked about the problems on IRC and was told that it was a regression that should be fixed in El Capitan, after updating to El Capitan the issue still persists.

I was considering buying an MBP myself but after seeing the issues she is having I am changing my mind, especially after this reveal from Microsoft.

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