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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by bradyd »

togusa wrote: post #155
cdnsteve wrote: post #140

Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

It's all there, just different. PowerShell = bash, Chocolatey = homebrew, Windows Server Containers = docker, Hyper-V+powershell = vagrant, DSC = ansible etc etc. I don't use Windows 10 for reference though. Still on 8.1 until they fix a few things and release a version-matched server platform.

Vagrant works on Windows. You can use Hyper-V or VirtualBox for the virtual machine environment.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by mpweiher »

togusa wrote: post #155
cdnsteve wrote: post #140

Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

It's all there, just different. PowerShell = bash, Chocolatey = homebrew, Windows Server Containers = docker, Hyper-V+powershell = vagrant, DSC = ansible etc etc. I don't use Windows 10 for reference though. Still on 8.1 until they fix a few things and release a version-matched server platform.

> PowerShell = bash

While a great fan of PowerShell in theory, in practice it seems to be extremely cumbersome. Sort of the opposite of bash and other Unix shells, which suck in theory and are very useful/convenient/powerful in practice.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by ashark »

edgyswingset wrote: post #128
ryanSrich wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's still about the OS. It has always been about the OS. I'd use a $400 HP from walmart if it ran the latest version of OS X flawlessly.

Interesting. The general consensus I get when talking to people, especially devs, is that it's about apple's quality of hardware.

For me it's the software+hardware, and the killer feature is a unixy OS with great battery life and little to no fuss. Is it possible I could get similar results out of Linux on commodity hardware? I'd put it at long odds, but even so I bet I'd have to shut off features (losing convenience) and spend a lot of time tweaking it to make that happen.

It's not even just the OS. I've switched to Safari because losing 1.5-2 hours of battery life to use Chrome or Firefox isn't worth it. I'll just open Chrome when I really need it, use it for a few minutes, and close it.

There's also a "no one got fired for..." factor. OSX refuses to work with the client's projector in a meeting? Apple sucks. Arch Linux refuses to work with the client's projector? You suck.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by codeulike »

PaulHoule wrote: post #168

When is somebody going to come out with a convertable that doesn't have a trackpad? Does somebody have a patent that makes it illegal to make a PC without a trackpad or something?

Feedback from the Surface Pro 1 and 2 was that without a decent trackpad they were annoying. As in, they had trackpads but they sucked. Got a lot better with the Pro 3.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by DeusExMachina »

I think this device really shows the different approaches of Apple and Microsoft to "tablets".

When the iPad Pro was announced, many joked about the fact that it was just like a surface. With the release of this device from Microsoft, the look even more similar then before from the outside.

Still, the huge difference in the approach is the software. Microsoft is bending a computer operating system, with a full hardware keyboard and an interface made mainly to be used with a mouse, to adapt to touch and the use of a tablet. Apple instead is slowly expanding the functionality of a pure touch operating system that reject the idea of a mouse and a cursor entirely, to accommodate more computer uses, adding a keyboard and a pencil.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by midnightmonster »

togusa wrote: post #155
cdnsteve wrote: post #140

Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10? I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.

It's all there, just different. PowerShell = bash, Chocolatey = homebrew, Windows Server Containers = docker, Hyper-V+powershell = vagrant, DSC = ansible etc etc. I don't use Windows 10 for reference though. Still on 8.1 until they fix a few things and release a version-matched server platform.

So, no, developers on windows are not stumbling in the night. But also, no, your skills and familiarity are not transferable from OS X to Windows.

In contrast, I was a desktop (laptop) Linux user until a year or so ago, and found my skills almost entirely transferable to OS X.

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