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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by rebootthesystem » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 4:47 PM UTC

THAT is what I've been waiting for, on all fronts. On top of everything else, run Ubuntu VM's on the phone (if and when possible), Surface 4 and Surface Book and you now have the best of both worlds.

We run various Windows-native engineering tools (CAD, CAM, EDA, FEA, etc.) yet do a lot of software development under Linux (by running VM's on all of our Windows desktops and laptops).

I can imagine popping an SD card into a phone and plugging it into a projector at a client's office to review a SolidWorks design. I know that's not possible today due to the SnapDragon processor but it isn't too far fetched to suggest companies like DS might very well consider at the very least having viewers and other tools available for the phones in the future. It makes total sense.

Microsoft is taking this in exactly the right direction. From user-accessible non-proprietary I/O to file system access on the phone and multi-user capabilities on the Surface devices. Everything is just right.

Sorry Apple. If reviews are good we are dumping our iPhones for MS Phones by the end of the year. Not upgrading to any of your new closed hardware and OS's. We are done. Bye bye.

I really like the energy I am seeing coming out of Microsoft.

There's only one thing missing from that presentation: Microsoft TV. You know that's got to be in the works.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by redxdev » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 4:48 PM UTC

watty wrote: post #125

redxdev wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only problem for me is that price... $1499 starting price is a bit high for my tastes, though I'd love to have one otherwise.

I drooled when I saw it but I don't think I can justify a nearly $2k price tag. 128 GB isn't enough and I'd like the detachable GPU, which puts it at: - 256GB/i5/8GB/dGPU: $1899

Yeah... I really want the i7 with 16GB RAM but there's no way I can pay for it.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by WorldWideWayne » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 4:49 PM UTC

mythz wrote: post #75

Analemma_ wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Credit to Panos and everyone who put that together, I didn't see the removable screen coming. That was the kind of "one more thing" moment that rivals Apple at their best showmanship.

Panos was an obnoxious douche, the products and "One more thing" reveal deserved a much better presenter.

Microsoft doesn't need an cult of personality or any of the shallow smoke and mirrors sales tactics that Apple utilizes. They made it to greatness without that bullshit.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by ryanSrich » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 4:49 PM UTC

edgyswingset wrote: post #128

ryanSrich wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's still about the OS. It has always been about the OS. I'd use a $400 HP from walmart if it ran the latest version of OS X flawlessly.

Interesting. The general consensus I get when talking to people, especially devs, is that it's about apple's quality of hardware.

I guess it depends on which devs you're talking about. I'm mostly doing web development on a day to day basis; very little VM usage, and I've never really gave my hardware a second thought. Maybe because I've always used a mac? Perhaps I'd be more picky if I had to endure poor hardware.

Having said that though I'm much more concerned with the OS capabilities, user experience, aesthetics, toolchains, etc.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by joelgrus » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 4:51 PM UTC

s3nnyy wrote: post #31

In closed state, the surface book has a giant gap between screen and keyboard ( https://goo.gl/n5B7Te ). I think, it can easily happen that things in your backpack slip between screen and keyboard and damage the screen. That is why the old Thinkpads used to have a "click" mechanism.

Damage or no damage, that gap really bugs my inner obsessive-compulsive.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by semafour » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 4:51 PM UTC

mythz wrote: post #75

Analemma_ wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Credit to Panos and everyone who put that together, I didn't see the removable screen coming. That was the kind of "one more thing" moment that rivals Apple at their best showmanship.

Panos was an obnoxious douche, the products and "One more thing" reveal deserved a much better presenter.

He adopted the style of a preacher. Lots of contrast: fast to slow, loud to quiet, excited to thoughtful. He left long quiet spaces, and implored the audience to ask themselves to believe. It's a deliberate style that one may or may not like.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by bluedino » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 4:52 PM UTC

nullrouted wrote: post #3

I think the Surface Book is finally something that can give the MacBook Pro line a run for its money, this should be interesting.

Costs as much as a MacBook, and a Windows laptop that costs as much as a MacBook has never had the widespread adoption a MacBook does.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by blumkvist » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 4:53 PM UTC

jiantastic wrote: post #117

Curious how Microsoft can enter the market this openly. Don't they have an agreement of some sort with hardware manufacturers ( HP, Dell etc) that they won't enter the market?

They won't make up that much market share. Most PCs are sold through distribution channels and those will remain for the OEMs most likely. Just like the Nexus line.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by barrkel » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 4:54 PM UTC

RobotCaleb wrote: post #96

rplnt wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an inconvenience though.

How would you rather treat your $1500+ piece of technology? I don't throw that sort of money around lightly.

For something that's disposable in a couple of years, yeah, I throw it around with fair abandon. That's a large chunk of the reason I bought a macbook air to run Windows on; I didn't want any moving parts (apart from fans) and I liked the solid aluminium design for strength when mixed with a lot of other random objects in a bag.

I still have an impression of the keyboard on the glossy screen (from compression), but it's perfectly liveable for a device I only use a few weeks of the year.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by cdnsteve » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 4:55 PM UTC

Could be a MBP replacement for developers. The only thing is those of us running on OS X, how is Windows 10?

I love my command line and linux like commands and tools. - Homebrew - Bash scripts - Docker (Windows 10 currently not supported) - Vagrant

I just feel the tooling for MS isn't in the direction I am. I still have a Windows 7 desktop and it's just not the same.