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Evernote is in deep trouble

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Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by corobo »

TY wrote: post #79
corobo wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting and thanks for the heads up but I don't believe I'm quite compatible with that software. I guess I'm also looking for usable-at-3am features, web accessible, phone accessible (currently iOS), centralized or at least synchronised, and the only feature Evernote doesn't seem to provide - backup-able files/database CLI, Linux.. emacs (!). I'm not sure I could manage to grasp emacs during the middle of a reall…

How much would you be willing to pay for this software? Available on all desktop and mobile platforms, with flawless synchronization and ridiculously good search capabilities?

How much are you asking? Evernote's pricing plans and features work for me, I'm looking for a viable alternative in case it vanishes.

Picking up some sarcasm in your comment, could you ask the questions or make the statements you're hinting at and I'll be happy to discuss!

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by brucefancher »

I've tried Evernote a bunch of times over the years and always been disappointed. I really wish there was something that worked more like Circus Ponies Notebook, but synced data w/ multiple clients like Evernote does. Oh well, I guess I just need to keep waiting.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by teach »

sokoloff wrote: post #78
greggman wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, what do you need a native app for? I ask because I'm usually suspicious of any company that has a native app when one isn't needed. I usually suspect they have some ulterior motive, spy ware, malware. Etc. Plus even if they don't have an ulterior motive installing a native app is one more vector for having my machine owned whereas a web site is not. (the browser might be a vector but it's a given I'm go…

"works on an airplane" is an important quality for many.

Google Keep works offline.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by teach »

sbuk wrote: post #49
aviraldg wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a Chrome app, which is "native" enough for me.

That's great and I genuinely hope that it works for you. The point I was making was that there was no point. Text files and an ftp server are arguably as good, but ultimately meaningless in relation to the article.

I don't think I understand your point.

Google Keep works offline, it has seamless syncing when it is online and I can access it from all my devices (including my phone).

I guess you don't consider a Chrome App to be a "real" native app and that somehow makes it different for you, but I don't see any meaningful distinction.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by captn3m0 »

Don't know if these recent articles will turn out to be the death toll for Evernote. Kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy. At this point, Evernote could pretty much do anything and still nobody on this thread would be convinced they are doing it right.

Another thing that I never liked about evernote is their API is perhaps the worst API I have ever encountered. Thrift should never be used for external APIs, period. [0]

[0]: https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-poorly-written-APIs/answ...

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by teaneedz »

keerthiko wrote: post #47
sbuk wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Mac and Windows user I've never used google keep as there is no native app.

Dropbox + .txt files. Never failed me. Just need to remember to save before you put away current device. Can use whatever editing interface I favor on whatever device I'm using -- usually Sublime on my Windows/Mac machines, I'm only viewing on my mobile devices.

This. Personally, I like DB ` .md`. Edit/view from Editorial on iOS (or Byword) and BBEdit or Byword on the Mac. Or better, VIM from the CLI since that spins circles around any GUI. Markdown exports nicely to HTML 5 for web projects too.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by philtar »

greggman wrote: post #55
sbuk wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Mac and Windows user I've never used google keep as there is no native app.

Just curious, what do you need a native app for? I ask because I'm usually suspicious of any company that has a native app when one isn't needed. I usually suspect they have some ulterior motive, spy ware, malware. Etc. Plus even if they don't have an ulterior motive installing a native app is one more vector for having my machine owned whereas a web site is not. (the browser might be a vector but it's a given I'm go…

Usually more responsive than a javascript interface in my experience.

Evernote native vs web Sublime Text vs Atom Mail Client vs Web mail etc.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by twic »

edwinnathaniel wrote: post #68

I heard this a lot: Evernote sync-ing is buggy. Could someone point to me how to implement a good cross-device sync-ing algorithms? Or is it perhaps just as simple as using object version based on timestamp? I've never done this before so I have no clue how easy/hard it is to implement one.

The gold standard right now is operational transformation:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_transformation

But this requires that you capture every edit, which (I think) makes it more complicated than classical merging techniques which just work on whole documents as input.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by nakodari »

I lost my entire Evernote notebook once. After that, I've been exporting notes manually once every month. Dropbox focused on making their "sync" and app rock solid, Evernote didn't. It's that simple.

Re: Evernote is in deep trouble

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Post by jseliger »

veidr wrote: post #71
jseliger wrote: post #7

It's interesting to me that EN is apparently in deep trouble partially because of buggy feature releases. Three days ago I wrote this comment in response to the last article about EN: I wonder if they're experiencing feature creep because they've satisfied users of the core features. I use a program called Devonthink Pro according to this method: http://www.stevenberlinjohnson.com/movabletype/archives/0002... and in…

How does the sync between machines work, in your experience? I know it wouldn't work for a lot of people, but I myself keep looking at switching from Evernote to "DevonThink Pro Office" because I would be OK with going Mac-only to get reliability. (I know Devon has an iOS app, but my understanding from their own forums is that the iOS app is basically garbage, and the users are all basically waiting for Devon's rewri…

How does the sync between machines work, in your experience?

Not that well. For me it's not a huge issue: I use an iMac as my primary machine and keep that as the primary database / state. If I end up doing a lot of work on a MacBook, I manually copy from it to the iMac.

I do need it to reliably sync 500,000 items across multiple computers though

Probably it's not for you! I think you can get a free trial, though, and test it.

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