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The Decline of ‘Big Soda’

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Re: The Decline of ‘Big Soda’

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It's amazing how many people seem to think drugs should be legalised but sugar should be banned.

For starters, I don't think there's any conceivable risk of boxes on supermarket shelves being stuffed to the brim with cocaine. If you want to look at the number of cumulative life-years lost to drugs vs. sugar in the past several decades, my intuition is that it's not even remotely a close contest.

You don't think there is a risk that if drugs were totally legal, food produces wouldn't start adding addictive drugs? These companies are already trying to engineer the most addictive dorrito possible.

People love stuff like red bull and coffee because of their stimulant properties.

I bet there is a huge market for Frosted (with Coke) Flakes.

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That's why we haven't had anyone start smoking in decades.. Soda sales are down but obesity is still up, so the calories are coming from somewhere. If you believe the other common stories, we're drinking the calories. I'd wager they come from the rise of coffee-based beverages - which would not be considered soda - but I don't have data to back that up.

Are obesity rates increasing? I'd like to see your source. Same with smoking rates.

Obesity rates for the USA: http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistic...

Percentages of adults within these categories [Overweight, Obese, Extremely obese] increased gradually until the late 1970s, at which point they began to climb more quickly, leveling off somewhat around 2000.

(Scroll down to the section titled "Trends in Overweight and Obesity among Adults, United States, 1962–2010")

Re: The Decline of ‘Big Soda’

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For starters, I don't think there's any conceivable risk of boxes on supermarket shelves being stuffed to the brim with cocaine. If you want to look at the number of cumulative life-years lost to drugs vs. sugar in the past several decades, my intuition is that it's not even remotely a close contest.

> For starters, I don't think there's any conceivable risk of boxes on supermarket shelves being stuffed to the brim with cocaine. Then again, it might be worth remembering the origin of the brand name Coke.

When remembering that, it's also good to remember the regulatory regime present at the time. [0]

From a food and drug regulation perspective, that time is very different from this time. That difference makes your pithy quip not so very clever.

[0] Compare the date at which cocaine was removed from Coca-Cola [1] to the enactment date of the Pure Food and Drug Act. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca-Cola#Coca_.E2.80.93_cocai...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Food_and_Drug_Act

Re: The Decline of ‘Big Soda’

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That's why we haven't had anyone start smoking in decades.. Soda sales are down but obesity is still up, so the calories are coming from somewhere. If you believe the other common stories, we're drinking the calories. I'd wager they come from the rise of coffee-based beverages - which would not be considered soda - but I don't have data to back that up.

A) If a beverage has a certain number of calories from sugar per volume, it doesn't really matter whether it's cola-flavored, orange-flavored, vanilla-flavored, tea-flavored, natural-flavored, artificially-flavored, carbonated, uncarbonated, caffeinated, or uncaffeinated. They're all functionally soft drinks, from a dietary perspective, but the graph that charts the decline in carbonated soda does not show the other…

With regard to B), this is well explored and is called 'GI' or 'Glycemic Index'.[1] High GI foods cause an insulin response in an effort to maintain blood glucose at 5.6 (fasting) - 11.1 mmol/l (postprandial), one of insulins roles is to cause cells to remove sugar from blood and store it as muscle and liver glycogen first then body fat. Once the sugar has been removed from general circulation the hungry feeling recurs.

Saturated fats provided the longest sensation of satiety, followed by protein, then high fibre carbohydrates.

Additionally, our livers have the nifty ability to create sure from pyruvate, lactate, glycerol, and glucogenic amino acids through a process called Gluconeogenesis.[2] Loosely, this is handy for the brain which usually uses glucose for energy, except during fasting when ketones are used.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

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Does the "water supply" of most citizens of most countries come from a grocery store? Or does it still come from things like municipal plumbing or rural wells ?

In Latin America tap water is not drinkable so most people get their drinking water bottled.

Why not filter?

Re: The Decline of ‘Big Soda’

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In Latin America tap water is not drinkable so most people get their drinking water bottled.

Not in Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador and probably Colombia. People there massively drink boiled tap water.

I just got back from Peru, everybody was drinking bottled water and boiling water for cooking. I'm sure this is a matter of preference.

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The largest difference is movement. Which helps keep down obesity in many other nations: If you walk everywhere, or bike, or use transit for 90% of what you do, you will burn a lot more calories (especially grocery shopping and carrying them home via the metro). Compared to driving everywhere, sitting at work, etc...

The study he's referencing took into account exercise as well: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1871403X15...

That study is indeed interesting. I just skimmed through it and read the abstract, definitely interesting.

The question now is, what is it? Could it be that the difference in food – not just caloric value of intake – has an influence? Did people start eating more prepackaged foods? If yes, what specifically influenced it? Why did it not influence Europe nearly as much?

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Good point, the source of calories isn't the same mix, even though the latte has more total calories (200 calories/12oz, vs. 140). Though I was thinking of the caramel latte rather than macchiato, which is a bit closer, at 27g of sugar: http://www.starbucks.com/menu/drinks/espresso/flavored-latte... . And since it's autumn, it's now time for their signature seasonal drink, the pumpkin spice latte, 300 calories and 39…

Another issue is size. In Europe or at least at many of the places I've been lately the sizes they have at Starbucks USA do not exist. A latte for example in Paris or Barcelona is no more than ~6oz or so, maybe less whereas Starbucks USA they start at 8oz and go up to 24oz. I have not visited a Starbucks here to see the sizes. Every coke I've ordered has come in a 8oz bottle as well unlike the unlimited refills and o…

Ugh, as an americano drinker I'd be annoyed as hell by this. I have a 52oz water cup at my desk, for me much of things is about the quantity of liquid so I dilute everything. I get my alcohol drinks heavily cut with mixers so they last longer. If drinks are small I finish them way too fast. So a tumbler of a mixed drink lasts me 8 minutes but the same drink in a pint with little ice and more mixer is more like 40 minutes. One leads to shitfaced quick and is a nice buzz. Same for coffee. Sitting at my desk with a small drink I'll finish it without noticing I'm drinking it. 20 oz coffee with the same # of shots and It'll take 30 minutes to finish and I'll actually notice and enjoy it.

I'm an adult, I can pay attention to what I order, and I'm not embarrassed to order things that are not directly on the menu. I'm tipping the bartender and the barrista so they make it the way I want it anyway.

Re: The Decline of ‘Big Soda’

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That's why we haven't had anyone start smoking in decades.. Soda sales are down but obesity is still up, so the calories are coming from somewhere. If you believe the other common stories, we're drinking the calories. I'd wager they come from the rise of coffee-based beverages - which would not be considered soda - but I don't have data to back that up.

And I expect juice drinks are part of it as well. Same high levels of sugar and low levels of fiber. The calories aren't as empty, but they're still much easier to consume than whole fruit.

I've got a cold/sore throat and when I do I drink a bunch of OJ. I don't normally drink OJ so I get small windows into it. Every time I get it I notice less and less pulp in it. Today there were tons of "NO PULP" oj out there, even tropicana 50, which is watered and filtered oj. These things are essentially natural koolaid.

Re: The Decline of ‘Big Soda’

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It's interesting to me that diet soda consumption has dropped from its peak. I would have guessed that sugary soda would have been replaced by diet soda, but it appears that water has replaced sugary soda more frequently. Mind mildly blown.

The rise of coffee may have played a large part in this.
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