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Re: Meet Model X

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Post by cpwright » Fri, Oct 02, 2015, 2:34 AM UTC

giarc wrote: post #306

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The pilot is pretty popular as an 8 seater. It's rear seats fold flat giving you a reasonable cargo area when you don't have the 3 people in the third row. The seats themselves aren't very cramped, but getting in/out is not great.

I'm not sure many Pilot buyers will also be Model X buyers ($30K vs $100K)

The $30K vs. $100K isn't the real comparison though. The pilot starts at $30K, but goes to $48K. The MDX is only 7 seats, but is also basically a Pilot for $58K.

A Model X should come in around $80K, assuming it is just a bit more than a comparable Model S, which starts at $70K.

I think one of the things the Model S has done is get someone who might spend $50K on a car to spend quite a bit more than otherwise, because of its coolness factor. I think the Model X will do the same thing, and get people who would otherwise drive something less expensive (in the $50-60K range) to reach upwards to $80K or so because of the cool/wow factor.

I've got a Pilot now; and like it. I need to see the X in person. Right now the falcon wing doors are not a selling point for me and lack of rear-seat entertainment system make it less compelling than it otherwise might be for the money.

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by toomuchtodo » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 6:47 AM UTC

kogepathic wrote: post #296

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In the Launch Event video, Elon goes into more detail around the 10 minute mark. The filtering is effective down to 0.01 microns. During testing, they were not able to detect any measurable level of spores, bacteria, or viruses in the air passing through the system. Two separate filters, and the main filter has three levels of activated carbon. First: Universal (hydrocarbons) Second: Acidic gases (sulfur) Third: Alka…

Okay, but let's get to the important part: can I use my Model X as a clean room?

Elon mentions the air is as clean as a hospital operating room. Close enough.

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by toomuchtodo » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 6:47 AM UTC

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> UV ends up not being worth it because you'd have to replace the bulb almost on a monthly basis. I have a UV system on my home A/C, and the bulb usually burns out once every two years (and it's always on). I'd imagine this would be greatly extended if in place in a car when it's not always on. Am I missing something?

The effectiveness of a UV lamp decreases with age, so they can stop being effective long before they actually burn out. There should be a manufacturer rating on the lamp, which will depend on its composition and other things. As an example the lamps I use have a rating of ~8000hrs, about a year, but to the outside observer they'll still look functional until they blow after 2-3 years.

Do they have UV LEDs yet?

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by toomuchtodo » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 6:53 AM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #254

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There will be a Model X 75D or 80D at some point

True, I didn't think about that. They haven't announced any, but that doesn't mean they won't.

It's on Elons Twitter account (future expected X battery capacities).

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by dexterdog » Sat, Oct 03, 2015, 8:47 PM UTC

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I wonder how they adapt to having snow on the roof.

Are you driving your car with a large mass of snow on the roof? Please don't, it's dangerous.

I don't, but I see many people who do.

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by Too » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 6:52 PM UTC

caio1982 wrote: post #103

I love the falcon wing doors but what about when it's raining? That might be a stupid question but...

And what about snow?

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by Too » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 7:04 PM UTC

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I really doubt the H1 is safer than the Model X. Just because it's big and strong doesn't mean it's safe. On what basis do you make that statement? I'm having trouble finding much info on the Brabus 800 G, but from what I can dig up it looks like it does 0-60 in 4.2 seconds with a top speed of 155MPH. Model X P90D with ludicrous upgrade does 0-60 in 3.2 seconds with a top speed of 155MPH. Most capable is a vague term…

Thanks for responding and I'll chime in. I'm using the 8,100 pound vehicle weight of the H1 as an off-the-cuff reference point in physics, because in practical terms, yes, bigger tends to be safer in the real world. If somebody can find the NHTSA numbers for the H1 that'd be relevant to clearing that up. Oh, and I'm talking about the military converted version that was road legal, not the GM product. Until we get the…

I don't think those 8100 pounds will help much if you are crashing into a mountain wall or drop down into a 1m deep ditch on the side of the road. Just slamming the brakes will probably give you a whiplash in that thing and it probably has tons of sharp and hard edges in the interior. Modern cars have so many safety features, auto tightening of the safety belts, seats give way in strategical locations to save your back, etc etc etc. And don't forget active safety such as auto brakes.

Re: Meet Model X

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Post by Too » Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 7:31 PM UTC

curiousphil wrote: post #127

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My Volvo does this. Not sure if it's the same thing, but stops you if you're about to collide with something. I've never experienced it (as I've never yet needed the feature), but have heard good things. Here's a really impressive video of it in action on a semi-truck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ridS396W2BY Counterpoint (with the model I have, unfortunately): http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/self-braking-vo…

Volvo claimed that the driver hadn't paid for the pedestrian detection upgrade which costs an extra $3,000. That said, it seems like a feature that shouldn't be confusing as to whether your car has it or not. But then again, its not a feature that non-professionals should be testing/showing off on living beings...

That video has been shown many so times and debunked equally many times. If you know how it looks like, it's obvious from the video that the car does not have the system installed, you should be able to see a small plastic box-like shape embedded in the grill which is one of the sensors, they blend in but if you know what to look for you do see them easily.

Whether installed or not, testing a safety-net feature like this qualifies for darwin awards.