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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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I love Apple products, but please stop. Please. Do not be blind to the fact that Apple has to remove apps from the app store often due to security issues. And most of what you hear about on the Android side is either blown up in the media or because people side load apps from ... questionable sources.

You're kidding me right? Android applications are allowed to run daemons that will continue to run if you like it or not. [1] Due to Google's lax review process basically you can write a virus and post it to the store.

Why would you think allowing daemon processes are bad? You want notifications without having your app front and center, right? Need a daemon for that.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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Show me a way to prevent people from getting viruses and malware that doesn't involve the equivalent of requiring everyone to know how to service the entire engine on their car by themselves.

It doesn't exist. There is no way to prevent evil from happening when your opponent is a sentient actor that can see your defenses. Also, stop conflating basic computer literacy (which includes common security knowledge) with the knowledge required to "service the entire engine". We expect people to learn how to drive a car safely. This doesn't require learning how to repair the car or other technical knowledge. This…

My point is that things that are "easy" for the tech elite are not so easy for the general public. People have a hard time figuring out how to (e.g.) "program the VCR" let alone use the computer.

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It doesn't exist. There is no way to prevent evil from happening when your opponent is a sentient actor that can see your defenses. Also, stop conflating basic computer literacy (which includes common security knowledge) with the knowledge required to "service the entire engine". We expect people to learn how to drive a car safely. This doesn't require learning how to repair the car or other technical knowledge. This…

My point is that things that are "easy" for the tech elite are not so easy for the general public. People have a hard time figuring out how to (e.g.) "program the VCR" let alone use the computer.

I know that's what you believe, and it's a perception that must change in the tech industry, because it gets in the way of important things like education and it breeds contempt. When you treat people like idiots, they will respond like idiots and learn to hate you because of it.

The "VCR blinking 12:00" problem is a good one, because it is absolutely not caused from a lack of capability. The clock on the VCR is often a very low priority for most people, and while those of us that understand technology think it's a simple thing to set it and move on to other problems, for a lot of people, they estimate that it would require finding the manual, reading it for a while, some trial and error, etc, and they judge it's not worth their time. They have more important things to do. The much easier solution is to either ignore it because they really don't care, or wait until the local nerd stops by and bug them to do it. I would even suggest it's a very good evaluation of opportunity cost.

Now, computer security is very important, but it suffers from a pandemic problem: most people are ignorant (which is not their fault) of just how common security problems are, the cost of failure, and the novel problems that technology has created (e.g. automated attacks that make questions like "am I a target?" irrelevant.

You will never solve those problems by taking people's capabilities away. All you've done is give them a false sense of security, because they trust devices based on an incorrect threat model. Educate them, and they will adjust their behavior. This is significantly less technical than learning how to set a VCR's clock.

As for UI - consider the example I used in another comment: include a hardware switch that must be flipped to allow "sudo"-style access for things like installing software. People understand this (I knew a LOT of non-technical people that regularly used the write-protect switch on 3.5" floppies when they didn't want to erase their homework. Simple metaphors like this, when applied consistently (they shouldn't have to use the switch very often) can help a lot.

You will never solve everything; if you had a truly foolproof way make a safe OS for everybody, I suspect you would have solved the Halting Problem. So use technology to catch the obvious stuff and provide tools for people, educate them well (this will take a few generations), and most people will be safe enough.

What you absolutely shouldn't do is limit everybody in a futile effort to try to make it safe for everybody. This is an impossible task, so you will inevitably end up in a cycle where you remove more and more features, as clever people find ways to abuse them.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Privacy Is a Fundamental Human Right'

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This is irrelevant. EULA is between company and the user it is also imposed by the company. What they write might not necessarily be enforceable.

Great. Then don't agree to those EULAs, and don't use their products/services. Problem solved. And we didn't even involve CISPA!

Once that would become a law they no longer even have to mention it in the EULA, because it takes precedence. In addition to that all companies would be doing it so it's not like you can "vote with your wallet".

So I'm still not following why EULA has to do with anything in this context.

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> Why those companies want CISPA? Because it removes all liability from them when they share the data without a warrant. Basically we no longer will be able to sue them for violating our privacy. Nothing in CISPA allows them to violate their EULA. If they had EULAs that violated your privacy in the first place, then that's a problem between you and the company, independent of CISPA.

Or, for EU people, it’s a problem between the company and your government, and you can force the company to change the EULA, which in turn means they have to change their policies or lose in court, like Facebook.

EULA is something that is imposed by the company, it is totally optional but companies use it to restrict you what you can do with their product or service. They could mention that they would send data about you, or they could just say they have to follow US laws.

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Amen. Who the heck wants their own government spying on them? I'd rather be "less safe" whatever that even means. The government works for us, not the other way around.

Apple has admitted to giving the US government information. So they don't run algorithms over your meta-data, instead they just give your personal info the the government. I'm aware Google does comply with government requests too, but also attempts to push back and keep the government honest.

Apple also attempts to push back.

"Apple only disclosed content in response to 27% of the total U.S. account requests we received during the period from July 1st, 2014 to June 30th, 2015"

Source: http://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-requests...

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