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Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by at-fates-hands »

billiam wrote: post #17
jstalin wrote: post #6

More victims of the war on drugs...

This isn't really about the war on drugs, but about the tradition in Mexico, not uniquely more than most countries, that literally every state organ is involved in criminal activity, and is in many ways indistinguishable from the crime cartels. It varies a lot across the country, but this has been true for a lot of Mexico's history. It may look crazy to us, but the political establishment has always been a part of wh…

>> The sad part is how cheaply the lives of these young people, including the future school teachers of this part of Mexico, were thrown away.

This is what gets me about Mexico. There's simply no value to human life there anymore. It's so depressing seeing what's happening there. The corruption is so deep and so ingrained in their culture, I can't even fathom how they will ever get better.

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by kbenson »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #29
AJ007 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often a feeling that (insert first world country) is absolutely terrible is cured by a visit to any third world or developing country. What you are describing is hardly unique to Mexico.

Don't really follow. It is like telling a friend who just got a great job that they shouldn't be happy because there are other people who won the lottery or had far greater success stories. (I did reverse it from negatives to positives.)

Make sure to reverse all applicable portions of the argument, or it won't make sense (and even then it's not necessary that the reverse be true for the argument to be true).

It's more akin to a friend who has a terrible job spending a few days working at a good job and realizing their job is terrible (to keep it reversed), or like a friend that has a good job but thinks it's terrible spending a few days actually working a terrible job and realizing how good theirs is (to keep the argument the same as AJ007 presented).

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

#34

Post by j_camarena »

dethstar wrote: post #13
j_camarena wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally. You'll be safe in Every Mexican city unless trying to get drugs in shady places... and this is a rule to follow Everywhere in the world. As a fact, Mexico City is actually safer than Washington DC.

That's bullshit (about being safe every where unless doing shady business) as an example I was almost abducted while waiting for my bus in the bus terminal. I know of people missing who's only doing was driving thru a highway to go somewhere else. This idea that only Bad People doing Bad Things™ are in risk here is dumb.

I lived in Mexico for almost 30 years. The only time i got robbed was in Los Angeles as someone broke my car window to get a purse.

=> http://www.howsafeismexico.com/

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by realquick81 »

billiam wrote: post #17
jstalin wrote: post #6

More victims of the war on drugs...

This isn't really about the war on drugs, but about the tradition in Mexico, not uniquely more than most countries, that literally every state organ is involved in criminal activity, and is in many ways indistinguishable from the crime cartels. It varies a lot across the country, but this has been true for a lot of Mexico's history. It may look crazy to us, but the political establishment has always been a part of wh…

> This isn't really about the war on drugs

Then explain how this still would have happened if all drugs were legal in both US and Mexico. Because right now it seems obvious to everyone else that this is indeed about the war on drugs.

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by bdavisx »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #31
billiam wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't really about the war on drugs, but about the tradition in Mexico, not uniquely more than most countries, that literally every state organ is involved in criminal activity, and is in many ways indistinguishable from the crime cartels. It varies a lot across the country, but this has been true for a lot of Mexico's history. It may look crazy to us, but the political establishment has always been a part of wh…

>> The sad part is how cheaply the lives of these young people, including the future school teachers of this part of Mexico, were thrown away. This is what gets me about Mexico. There's simply no value to human life there anymore. It's so depressing seeing what's happening there. The corruption is so deep and so ingrained in their culture, I can't even fathom how they will ever get better.

How can it get better: Legalize drugs and drug trafficking. It's not a perfect solution, but it would take away much of the reason for the narco-gangs existence; as well as the corruption of the government/police/military.

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by aianus »

billiam wrote: post #17
jstalin wrote: post #6

More victims of the war on drugs...

This isn't really about the war on drugs, but about the tradition in Mexico, not uniquely more than most countries, that literally every state organ is involved in criminal activity, and is in many ways indistinguishable from the crime cartels. It varies a lot across the country, but this has been true for a lot of Mexico's history. It may look crazy to us, but the political establishment has always been a part of wh…

> This isn't really about the war on drugs

You don't need to hide coke in school buses without the war on drugs. The U.S. government is directly responsible for these and all drug war deaths.

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

kbenson wrote: post #33
Lawtonfogle wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't really follow. It is like telling a friend who just got a great job that they shouldn't be happy because there are other people who won the lottery or had far greater success stories. (I did reverse it from negatives to positives.)

Make sure to reverse all applicable portions of the argument, or it won't make sense (and even then it's not necessary that the reverse be true for the argument to be true). It's more akin to a friend who has a terrible job spending a few days working at a good job and realizing their job is terrible (to keep it reversed), or like a friend that has a good job but thinks it's terrible spending a few days actually work…

No, because the original view was still of something bad (corrupt first world governments). They aren't as bad as something else (corrupt second/third world governments), but they aren't good.

So using jobs, it is like having a job where you have to often pull 60 hours weeks and then having to spend a few days helping a friend pulling 80 hour weeks (with same compensation). Even then, the 60 hour weeks being the norm is a bad thing and saying that someone shouldn't feel bad about it doesn't make sense.

The switch was from bad/worse to good/better.

Re: Mexico’s Missing Forty-Three: One Year, Many Lies, and a Theory

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Post by kbenson »

aianus wrote: post #37
billiam wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't really about the war on drugs, but about the tradition in Mexico, not uniquely more than most countries, that literally every state organ is involved in criminal activity, and is in many ways indistinguishable from the crime cartels. It varies a lot across the country, but this has been true for a lot of Mexico's history. It may look crazy to us, but the political establishment has always been a part of wh…

> This isn't really about the war on drugs You don't need to hide coke in school buses without the war on drugs. The U.S. government is directly responsible for these and all drug war deaths.

> The U.S. government is directly responsible for these and all drug war deaths.

Directly? That's a reach. Many factors lead to a situation like this, and US policy may have contributed, but don't diminish the part played by the people actually murdering and ordering the murdering.

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