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Re: Small Data: Tinder-like apps are the way of the future

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Following this "small data" concept I was also working on an app that works with a kind of "binary communication". You guys (and girls) seem quite critical, so I'd be really curious to hear what you guys think of this concept (sorry if this is considered self promotion, it just seemed appropriate to mention it here.) The idea is a messaging app where recipients can only reply Yes or No, and is intended for quick questions when you don't need an excuse (i.e. "Have you sent the file yet?"), the idea is to gear for wearables and provide a swappable tinder like interface for quick questions. http://www.getmoshimoshi.com

Re: Small Data: Tinder-like apps are the way of the future

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The secret to Tinder's success isn't that they use a swipe-based interface. It's that they solved one of the biggest pain points in dating: users never have to talk to anyone that hasn't already expressed mutual interest in them. Since the app discloses romantic interest only after both parties have reciprocated, Tinder offers a fundamentally better way of meeting new people than has existed previously. That was a ga…

AFAIK dating websites had such a feature years before Tinder. Mutual selection as "favorite" or something like that leading to revelation of that selection to both isn't new at all.

Re: Small Data: Tinder-like apps are the way of the future

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There are so many holes in this piece it's amazing. It's especially apparent when it's boiled down by the author:

"There are many reasons why this makes for a better user experience:

1.Cognitively, you can only evaluate one option at a time. Seeing all the options laid out in front of you at once is just noisy and distracting, since you’ll have to consider each one in turn anyway. 2.Making swipe-happy snap judgements allows you to make better choices, faster. See Malcolm Gladwell’s Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking for much more on the adaptive unconscious. 3.You can do it one handed."

There's no reference to cognitive theories dealing with various interface types. I'm doing an independent project this semester with user eye-tracking through a Netflix-like interface. Iris Vessey's theory of Cognitive Fit shows that there are some tasks where the-part-in-relation-to-the-whole is the main consideration. In those cases, a matrix interface is a better fit, leading to better (faster, more accurate) task performance. 2. Malcolm Gladwell as main reference? ...no wonder no cognitive theory was explored. 3. Why stop there, you could also do that with blinks or eye gestures, further isolated into a bubble of laziness.

Re: Small Data: Tinder-like apps are the way of the future

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Any claims for discovery efficiency is a lie. Shitty UX's "convert better" due in part to the way that they hurt their users. Netflix cannot let you discover there is nothing you want to watch in their entire catalogue because you will unsubscribe. They have to make you believe there is more that you have not found. Similar to Amazon, they cannot make search so efficient that you have the time and energy to search ot…

> Netflix cannot let you discover... They have to make you believe there is more that you have not found. That's an insightful observation and explains perfectly why Netflix does not provide a simple straight list of all titles that you can scroll through. I'll bet that the Netflix engineers have wanted to add such an obvious feature, but someone in marketing yelled, "Don't!" If you ask the average non-techie user ho…

That link is really interesting. I knew that the netflix collection was much smaller than people assume, but I never thought it'd be this small.

I know people with personal media servers that could easily compete with this collection (not that I'm endorsing that, just throwing it in for scale).

Re: Small Data: Tinder-like apps are the way of the future

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I really hope not. For anyone not above average looking, Tinder, et al, are a bunch of apps that basically show you everyone in your area that would never talk to you. I'm fairly positive that at least in my area, anyone who even matches with me is a robot.

Photos are everything man.

There are a tonne of average-to-poor looking girls on Tinder who have very good photos of themselves that paint them in a much more flattering light than they really deserve. Take a leaf out of their book.

Tinder is the most superficial distillation of dating out there, your entire judgement of the person is based on a few photos (and often just the first one).

You need 4 photos, show them in this order:

One full body shot of you with a clear image of your face, one of you topless (if you have the body for it), one of you looking cool with your friends, and one of you doing something you like, preferably some sort of adventurous hobby like climbing or diving

PAY TO GET PROFESSIONAL PHOTOS DONE. I can't emphasize this enough, more than anything else this will drastically improve your results.

The 'about me' field is almost irrelevant. Keep it to 3 sentences or less. When you get a match, push for a meetup at a bar (or your house if you feel bold) as soon as possible, preferably within 24 hours. Get their actual phone number within the first five messages. THE GIRL ALREADY LIKES YOU, there is no need to play silly games at this point.

I also use a Tinderbot to automatically like all the girls. I wrote my own version based off the work of somebody who reverse-engineered the API, my repo is here https://github.com/samphilipd/tinderzapper . When I feel like going on some dates, I just run that for a few days, unlike all the unattractive matches and push for meetups with the rest. It's a pure numbers game.

BELIEVE ME there are girls out there who will find you attractive and want to meet up with you, you simply have to sift through the junk to find them.

The above is pretty much exactly what I do. I'm only slightly above-average looking and very below-average height (5ft4). I do workout so I have a somewhat decent body. I've been on countless dates this year and got laid with 10-15 girls just through tinder.

Anyone can get a date on Tinder with professionally taken photos. In fact, most of the girls on there already know the importance of photos and are very skilled at showing photos that present them in the best possible light.

Re: Small Data: Tinder-like apps are the way of the future

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post #22

The secret to Tinder's success isn't that they use a swipe-based interface. It's that they solved one of the biggest pain points in dating: users never have to talk to anyone that hasn't already expressed mutual interest in them. Since the app discloses romantic interest only after both parties have reciprocated, Tinder offers a fundamentally better way of meeting new people than has existed previously. That was a ga…

AFAIK dating websites had such a feature years before Tinder. Mutual selection as "favorite" or something like that leading to revelation of that selection to both isn't new at all.

It isn't the mutual selection alone, but that feature in combination with swiping (basically a first impression) and inability to go back make it substantially different than dating sites.

To my knowledge dating sites usually have pages of profiles you search though. If you see someone you select, but say you go through 5 pages and no one catches your eye but you're out of matches. You may be willing to go back through and lower your standards to make some matches.

This is also aided by Tinder being a more dynamic app. The number of people that are active(discoverable) changes day to day, whereas a dating site is essentially static; with only new users adding more potential matches.

Re: Small Data: Tinder-like apps are the way of the future

#27

Following this "small data" concept I was also working on an app that works with a kind of "binary communication". You guys (and girls) seem quite critical, so I'd be really curious to hear what you guys think of this concept (sorry if this is considered self promotion, it just seemed appropriate to mention it here.) The idea is a messaging app where recipients can only reply Yes or No, and is intended for quick ques…

I like the idea, installing the app now. Any plans for Amazon devices?

Re: Small Data: Tinder-like apps are the way of the future

#28
Alan Kay once said something to the effect of: the best UIs are the ones that make the process of rejection as fast as possible.

So, “yes”, Tinder-like apps are the way of the future, but we could have been living in the future a long time ago if people had been paying more attention to the lessons of the past.

Re: Small Data: Tinder-like apps are the way of the future

#29
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're confusing search intent with discovery intent. Of course Netflix isn't going to stop showing you movie options when you're trying to discover something new. If the user doesn't intentionally know what they want to watch, they need to continually see content to discover it. And Amazon search isn't terrible because of a price-hiding scheme, it's because they have a terrible UI company-wide, from the Kind…

>> And Amazon search isn't terrible because... Amazon may not be intentionally malicious. When you make decisions only on a metric like sale conversions, you will be optimising other factors you are not even aware of. Nothing necessitates that the best UX and happiest customers will be the most profitable. For example, I recall a story about Amazon trialling infinite scroll. It had positive customer feedback and user…

Missing design targets because you're optimizing on the wrong metrics is a real problem - but for Amazon to be unintentionally making their search so overly complex to keep users bogged down (as you say) it would require them to be optimizing on number of searches, not sales conversions or revenue.

I think even you can admit that sounds just a little absurd.

Re: Small Data: Tinder-like apps are the way of the future

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And vice versa.

I hope to join you guys in your fantasy world one day

Never heard of MySpace angles?

You seem bitter. So here's some drive-by unwanted advice. I assume you are male:

- Hit the gym, lift weights. Eat enough to be non-scrawny. (Or lose weight, if you are currently fat.)

- Acquire currency---as a HN lurker you should at least be able to talk your way into a tech job.

- Get someone knowledgeable to help with your outfit.

- Get some nice pictures of yourself. Either practice the art of the selfie until you are good, ask a knowledgeable friend, or pay someone.

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