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OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by rbritton »

S_A_P wrote: post #79
x0rg wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, feeling that this update is better is OK, but I don't really understand how formatting could improve thing is such a significant way.

perception is reality. I've no doubt there are cases that upgrade in place doesnt work as well as fresh install, but I am skeptical that there is dramatic demonstrable differences between the two most of the time.

I believe it's likely more a benefit of clearing out the cruft that has accumulated over time rather than problems with the update itself. A lot of stuff gets installed over the years, and upgrading in place keeps the majority of that in place. Doing a fresh install and putting back only what you're currently using will probably result in fewer programs, daemons, drivers, etc that the system has to deal with.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by thejerz »

emsy wrote: post #44
bdcravens wrote: post #21

If time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.

Coming from Yosemite, you should clean you Mac with petrol. But seriously, Yosemite was such a mess, it felt like an old Windows installation where formatting is the only way to regain a decent performance. I'm glad I made a clean install with the GM 2 weeks ago. The system is way better than Yosemite (but still far from being as stable as Mountain Lion)

Where do I download the petrol app?

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by tim333 »

spudlyo wrote: post #54
on_ wrote: post #30

Just upgraded. Can't delete apps. Anyone figured this out yet? Admin accound sudo rm -rf "game center.app" is returning operation not permitted. Appcleaner is not even able to find the packkages much less delete them. I have the GM though. What is this about? Edit: upgrading to the appstore version. Not sure if this was GM specific, or they are locking the Os down even more. Edit2: if you forget your password immeadi…

Thanks for bringing this up, I just cancelled my download. There is no way I'm going to run an OS that attempts to limit my power to delete or modify applications. I think this may be the final straw for me and OSX. I very recently had to attack GarageBand with a hex editor to disable app sandboxing so I could use third party VST plugins. I realize System Integrity Protection can be disabled by a kernel boot param, b…

It's not hard to disable. Restart holding down command R to get recovery mode, launch the terminal, type "csrutil disable". Sorted.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by smallarmsdealer »

Rafert wrote: post #27
bdcravens wrote: post #21

If time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.

So, basically the same advice applies as with the upgrade to Yosemite: move /usr/local to somewhere like ~/local before upgrading, and move it back after. It's worth mentioning that after the upgrade you might run into permissions problems: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/blob/master/share/doc/h... You might want to run `brew update` before updating, so `brew doctor` can help you troubleshoot issues afterwards.

Good advice, I plan on running a quick rsync:

rsync -rtvpl /usr/local ~/usr.local.backup

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by sotojuan »

Laaw wrote: post #89
bdcravens wrote: post #21

If time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.

User with Homebrew here! No problems upgrading this time (took ~15 minutes), had ~2hr upgrade last time.

Really? That's awesome! I don't mind waiting but that always annoyed me.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by ceejayoz »

on_ wrote: post #90
outworlder wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is your filesystem, but these are system files. Is it really important to you to be able to muck around the OS? If it is, then you go find a way to disable the protections. Windows also has the System Integrity Protection equivalent.

Yes. I am disabling/removing shitty bloatware and removing apple phone home gor privacy.

So you're compromising security to do it?

Game Center is ~4MB, and you'll never remove all the potential "phone home" hooks without rewriting the OS. Your approach is akin to taking wheels off a car to reduce weight so it goes faster.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by tim333 »

iyn wrote: post #22
trevorhartman wrote: post #16

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One solution that I've adopted: never use Finder.

I'm new to the OS X: what do you use instead then? Is there a good alternative to Finder?

Dunno if they replace Finder but I find http://www.mucommander.com/ and http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/30073/find-file handy. Both free.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by PurellYourAss »

on_ wrote: post #30

Just upgraded. Can't delete apps. Anyone figured this out yet? Admin accound sudo rm -rf "game center.app" is returning operation not permitted. Appcleaner is not even able to find the packkages much less delete them. I have the GM though. What is this about? Edit: upgrading to the appstore version. Not sure if this was GM specific, or they are locking the Os down even more. Edit2: if you forget your password immeadi…

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by rndn »

thejerz wrote: post #92
emsy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Coming from Yosemite, you should clean you Mac with petrol. But seriously, Yosemite was such a mess, it felt like an old Windows installation where formatting is the only way to regain a decent performance. I'm glad I made a clean install with the GM 2 weeks ago. The system is way better than Yosemite (but still far from being as stable as Mountain Lion)

Where do I download the petrol app?

I think that's an idiom.
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