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OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by eridius »

fnordsensei wrote: post #26
dv_says wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a setting to opt out of the beta track. Check out System Preferences > App Store.

I found the guide for how to do it, but there's no such button there. Oh sh*t. https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/unenroll

Are you on public beta or developer beta? Those instructions appear to be for the public beta program. If you were using the developer beta, I expect you have to reinstall the seed configuration utility (if you don't still have it) from https://developer.apple.com/osx/download/ and use that.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by rndn »

FireBeyond wrote: post #25
bdcravens wrote: post #21

If time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.

It gets stuck because it's moving every Homebrew app out of /usr/local, a known but painful issue.

I think the same applies to TeX distributions. It awfully slow for some reason, perhaps it double checks each file to avoid bit errors in system critical files?

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by x0rg »

emsy wrote: post #44
bdcravens wrote: post #21

If time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.

Coming from Yosemite, you should clean you Mac with petrol. But seriously, Yosemite was such a mess, it felt like an old Windows installation where formatting is the only way to regain a decent performance. I'm glad I made a clean install with the GM 2 weeks ago. The system is way better than Yosemite (but still far from being as stable as Mountain Lion)

Wait, feeling that this update is better is OK, but I don't really understand how formatting could improve thing is such a significant way.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by aeontech »

spudlyo wrote: post #54
on_ wrote: post #30

Just upgraded. Can't delete apps. Anyone figured this out yet? Admin accound sudo rm -rf "game center.app" is returning operation not permitted. Appcleaner is not even able to find the packkages much less delete them. I have the GM though. What is this about? Edit: upgrading to the appstore version. Not sure if this was GM specific, or they are locking the Os down even more. Edit2: if you forget your password immeadi…

Thanks for bringing this up, I just cancelled my download. There is no way I'm going to run an OS that attempts to limit my power to delete or modify applications. I think this may be the final straw for me and OSX. I very recently had to attack GarageBand with a hex editor to disable app sandboxing so I could use third party VST plugins. I realize System Integrity Protection can be disabled by a kernel boot param, b…

You can delete and modify non-system apps just fine, FWIW. I imagine Game Center.app is not locked down for some nefarious reason, but just because it falls under "system owned" list.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by potatolicious »

on_ wrote: post #53
kitsunesoba wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s System Integrity Protection. Under it, system files cannot be deleted or modified, even with sudo. It protects down to the block level, so even if you try to bypass the file system and write to blocks composing system files directly you’ll get an error. This can be disabled but I wouldn’t advise doing so unless you have a really good reason to.

Thanks. I will disable it. Not to be rude, as I appreciate the advice, but what would you consider: > a really good reason? I think access to my own filesystem is good enough. I admit when I looked at the reviews, I made sure there were no major issues before upgrade but missed this "sys integrity" thing.

With SIP off it's pretty easy to social engineer your way into the user's system, especially on dev machines - we all install all kinds of stuff that requires sudo, but until now sudo will let you at literally anything - including replacing core OS files with malware replacements, and most installers are pretty opaque (not that you have the time or inclination to closely examine all installers anyway).

The current state of affairs means that users - even non-technical ones - are routinely asked for their admin pwds in everyday use, but every time they enter it they are susceptible to be totally and utterly pwned.

Even expert users fall victim when they turn off system safeguards - XcodeGhost being only the most recent example, where only users who actively disabled Gatekeeper/codesign checking were susceptible.

It's kind of annoying for power users, but time and time again I think we've proven that power users aren't in any way immune to social engineering or simple blanket malware attack.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by mikeash »

eridius wrote: post #58
teej wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad game center.app is so well protected.

It ships on the system. Everything that ships on the system should be protected. Among other things, it prevents system updates from having problems when the apps they're trying to patch are missing.

The updater could just fall back to a non-delta update for anything that's been modified. That would help with other problems too, like storage corruption. SIP is supposed to be about security, not keeping updaters from doing a bit more work.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by tjakab »

bdcravens wrote: post #21

If time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.

I ran 'brew update' and 'brew upgrade' just prior to upgrading to El Capitan. After the upgrade I just had to change ownership on /usr/local back to myself, but everything else seems fine.
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