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Stationwagon Utility Vehicle?
Stupid Urban-assault Vehicle
I much prefer this initialism.
Meet Model X
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That is pretty amazing pricing. Most premium families would be looking to the Land Rover Evoque ($41K), BMW X5 ($54K) etc But Tesla is pricing it not to compete with the baseline Porsche Cayenne ($58K) but around the Cayenne Turbo S level ($157K). I guess they aren't planning on building a lot of them.
There's a huge, growing market for premium products in China. And the bioweapon filter feature wouldn't hurt with their pollution levels.
I think the point was affordability. There aren't a lot of people who will spend 150K+ on a car, where merely owning home(with no mortgage) is a luxury these days.
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Do you accelerate at 100% each time though? I dont think I ever floor my car "off the line", I think I only use maximum power to go from 60-80 on the motorway.
Not all the time but sometimes for fun. I would do it a lot more in an electric because the "gas" is "free" (assuming it is charged with solar). At least it is something I can legally do, as opposed to going 155mph.
Oddly enough accelerating like that isn't always "legal". Where I'm from it could be classed as dangerous driving, and I believe in the USA it could fall under "Exhibition of Speed".
By and large it is more efficient to accelerate at full power, assuming your goal is to reach a certain top speed regardless, so if you were _really_ concerned about conserving petrol then you should be going full blast off the line. That said I expect the fuel usage such a situation to be negligible anyway, especially to someone who can afford/justify a car that does it in 4 seconds.
My car isn't that fast, or particularly economical, but I know I've never thought "I'd love to accelerate at full power here to show how fast my car is, but I just can't justify the pennies it will cost me"! Outside of hyper-milers I wonder how many people do actually think about it.
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The doors actuate on two hinges and have sonar to detect both horizontal and vertical clearance during all movements. They will adapt to both low ceilings and low side clearances, and need only about a foot of space on either side of your car to open. In the video, Musk talks about garages with small ceilings and then shows a video of the doors opening in one. If there's enough space for you to pull in and get out of…
I wonder how they adapt to having snow on the roof.
Are you driving your car with a large mass of snow on the roof? Please don't, it's dangerous.
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Lithium batteries are widely recycled.
Okay, but how does that scale to Tesla vehicles? Is it cost-effective? Is it part of the ownership / leasing arrangement that Tesla will recycle them? I genuinely would like to know.
Well if it's economical to recycle now, with comparatively tiny and hugely varied laptop and cellphone batteries, I can only imagine it would be more cost-effective to do with very large and regularized car batteries.
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> If Tesla were to attack the low-end, where the majority of car sales occur, then I'd pay attention. Then you are not paying attention. Tesla strategy is to start at the top, with higher margins and lower volumes (meaning lower costs) and gradually move down. According to Musk the Model 3 will be available next year and cost $35k.
Not sure they can deliver. Their house-battery product was relatively cheap. But it was also ill-conceived and impractical. Largely because of capacity. It was more of a UPS than a house-power-plant, because of the extremely limited time it could run the whole house. Consider: a large fraction of the Tesla car cost is the battery and associated systems. There's a minimum range that's considered acceptable, and even t…
Perhaps, but both the Model S and the Model X are very heavy cars. I guess there are possible savings there.
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Lithium batteries are widely recycled.
Okay, but how does that scale to Tesla vehicles? Is it cost-effective? Is it part of the ownership / leasing arrangement that Tesla will recycle them? I genuinely would like to know.
Tesla's battery packs are really just a very large array of relatively standard lithium ion cells, 18650 lithium ions if you're curious.
These individual cells fail independently of each other, so the packs slowly degrades over time as a bell curve function of the MTBF, a Tesla battery can be "rebuilt" at any point in time during this lifecycle by replacing the individual dead cells within it.
These individual cells that have gone bad over time and no longer hold a charge can be "recycled" more completely, where the individual materials and electrolytes are separated, processed and reconstituted as a new battery that can then be used in a pack rebuild or a new Tesla car or wall pack.
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It accelerates faster (3.2 to 4.1). It has a lower top speed (155mph to 176mph).
Unless you live in Germany you're not really ever going to hit that top speed. You will however have ample chance to take advantage of the acceleration.
Raced a Porsche Cayenne Turbo on the 101N in Palo Alto, kept up till around 140mph, at which point my transmission ran out of gearing and he kept going. I was impressed.
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Not only that, but the fuel source of an ICE must produce carbon output. However, there are many fuel sources for EVs that are carbon neutral (solar, wind, hydro, nuke). Where I live, my power comes from mostly nuclear sources, so the production of my car has been the only major carbon impact that it's had.
As you can see by the numbers the manufacturing takes a big part of the whole carbon production of EV. Nuclear power is a very bad power source. There is no final depot for nuclear waste on earth. We have to get rid of nuclear power. Hundreds of generations past us will have to deal with this shit of our generation.
nuclear energy is the cleanest energy. ALL you produce is a little nuclear waste that you can store underground somewhere.
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Additionally, the Model X appears to be significantly faster than the similarly-priced Cayenne Turbo S. Cayenne Turbo S (the fastest Cayenne model) does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds. [1] The Model X P90D also does it in 3.8 seconds, or 3.2 with the speed upgrade, which costs $10k on other Tesla models, [2] bringing the total Model X price to $152k to the Porsche's $157k. [1] http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne-t…
How long can an electric car like a Tesla maintain heavy acceleration? I doubt it could complete a lap around a track. Meanwhile a Porsche Cayenne will have no problem with that.
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