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Hmm, what about the batteries though. The Tesla will have to expend energy to keep them warm right?

Not while parked. While driving, you do lose range because of that, but it's not catastrophic. The Model S is one of the most popular cars in Norway, so their cold weather capabilities are clearly pretty decent.

Surprisingly, it doesn't get very cold in the populated parts of Norway. The average winter temperature in Oslo is 23 degrees Fahrenheit (-4C).

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Personally, I'm much more impressed by the crash safety than stuff like emissions. It's hard to get people to care about emissions. But almost everyone has been in a car crash at some point. Most people know someone who has been killed or severely injured in one. What makes Tesla remarkable is that their EVs aren't just good EVs, they're good cars . Previous EVs were basically sold as, "Well, this is kind of a crap c…

Spoken like a person who didn't live through the 70s. The roads were a blue haze, with choking smog over most cities. Think Beijing today. Once emissions were controlled to a comfortable level, then further improvements became marginally less important. That's natural and probably correct. I imagine Federal regulations are too stringent now; that's part of why car companies are resisting.

Tesla is around today, not the 70s.

Yes, emissions in general are very important. But they don't sell cars. Crash safety sells cars. "Better crash safety than anything else out there" really sells cars.

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> $132,000 for the P90D Signature and $142,000 for the P90D Founder edition [0] [0]: http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/30/tesla-model-x-electric-su...

Wasn't the Model X originally supposed to cost a lot less than an S?

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Roughly estimated carbon production of manufacturing (I got these numbers from a german discussion, one source for battery carbon production is: http://www.focus.de/auto/experten/duennes/oekobilanz-von-ele... ): ------------------------------------------ VW Polo GTI: 2 tons BMW M5: 2,5 tons BMW I3: 4 tons Tesla Modell X 13 tons Manufacturing + 100.000km: -------------------------- BMW I3 -> 9,6 tons VW Polo GTI -> 18…

It's not fair to compare the Model X to a Sedan. Do you have numbers for other SUVs? Remember the idea here is that it's assumed you'll be buying a car already. Also, even if the total lifetime carbon was equal, it's still better to buy a vehicle that produces all that carbon in localized places where it could possibly be captured instead of all over crowded urban areas.

Not only that, but the fuel source of an ICE must produce carbon output. However, there are many fuel sources for EVs that are carbon neutral (solar, wind, hydro, nuke).

Where I live, my power comes from mostly nuclear sources, so the production of my car has been the only major carbon impact that it's had.

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Not while parked. While driving, you do lose range because of that, but it's not catastrophic. The Model S is one of the most popular cars in Norway, so their cold weather capabilities are clearly pretty decent.

Surprisingly, it doesn't get very cold in the populated parts of Norway. The average winter temperature in Oslo is 23 degrees Fahrenheit (-4C).

It looks like Oslo's averages are a couple degrees above Chicago's. I'd call that very cold.

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I'm mostly wondering if you can open the falcon doors by hand or if it has to be done by computer. Seems kind of slow to me. Not to mention emergency situations.

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Model S owner here. Love the new X but two things disappoint, in terms of design: the new front-end is ugly, especially the white version of the car. And the long straight wire that runs from the top of the car to the auto-pilot hardware and rear-view mirror, planted in the middle of the windshield's sea of glass, is hideous. I can't believe Elon let that slide. Jobs would never in a million years have allowed that stupid wire to obstruct the view. Worst case, hair-thin electric conductors embedded in the glass, something. But that wire's got to go.

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"Model X is the safest, fastest and most capable sport utility vehicle in history." From any other company I would roll my eyes at the ridiculous hyperbole. Here, it's probably just a statement of fact.

Safest and fastest seem possible, but I'm rather doubting its off road capabilities. Unless of course being capable of driving off road isn't something we expect from an SUV these days.

This. There's a fine line between SUV and minivan. At best, the X is sitting on top of the line.
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