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Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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I have a little "lipstick-sized" charger that gives the Nexus 5 (old one now) a full charge. It's less than $10, just search for "portable phone charger". Honestly I'd rather haul this thing around rather than a spare battery.

I think you're thinking of this: http://www.ianker.com/product/A1105011 I get about 5 full charges on my phone from this - my phone is a moto e though so not exactly high capacity!

Yep, that's it.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Huawei seems rather sketchy. Or basically, anything from China. My phone recently died and i'm in market for a new phone. The 5X looks like a decent one.

I have a Huawei Ascend P7. It's miles better than my last phone (LG G2 mini). I find the build quality to be very good. I had it survive a very bad fall. The performance is decent, not as good as modern flagships, but an awesome price to performance ratio (I got it for 180 dollars, it goes for 250 unlocked these days).

They did do a Volkswagen-style cheat on the FutureMark benchmark:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8403/examining-huaweis-benchma...

so yes, they might be on the "sketchy" camp.

But I've found most of the premium stuff from China to be as good or better than equivalents from other countries, my girlfriend has a Lenovo phone and it's excellent too.

Since I'm from Latin America, I don't have to cheerlead any American or Japanese or European phone brands (we have none), and I'm extremely price sensitive, so Chinese brands like Huawei or Lenovo are great news for us.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Why's it sketchy? They seem to be highly reviewed; as far as I know a lot have been actually hoping they would finally enter the US market as they sell a lot of nice phones we don't get. It actually seems like they have better quality and use better materials than most of the non Chinese manufacturers

I had a Huawei Ascend P1 LTE for a while, and it was rubbish : flaky wifi and screen delaminating.

That's a 2012 phone. I saw the Huawei G610 in 2013 and chose not to buy it at the time, due to very bad reviews concerning their software mainly, but also due to some hardware problems. I chose an LG G2 mini that had much more reliable hardware, but ironically their software was incredibly crappy (and some incredibly idiotic decisions like their volume keys on the back of the device).

Huawei are making their phones a LOT better these days, I have an Ascend P7 that's been working extremely well.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Who will bother to recreate the fingerprint, most of us aren't that important? (I'm not) :) Don't get me wrong, I do understand the main problem is that you can't change this "token" and it's something that the people have easy access to. It shouldn't be used to keep data that has a higher value than the effort required.

The real risk is that if it reaches a certain level of ubiquity (which it appears it is), authorities will invest in a) laws and b) technology to break it with almost trivial ease. The US already has my fingerprints on file from crossing the border. Presumably it means that if they wish they could trivially unlock my phone and search its contents. I fully expect that if fingerprint access does become the universal se…

Why bother breaking into a phone manually when you already have access to all the data it sends, receives, and contains (especially now that cloud storage solutions are all the rage)? What do passcodes and fingerprint scanners even mean when the target data is already being made accessible to national governments through more convenient channels?

In my mind, the only reasons tech giants continue to force centralization on their users are PRISM and data mining. Today’s devices have sizable internal drives, so all personal data could realistically be stored and processed locally; and secure, distributed systems have been proven to work for data transfer (BitTorrent), monetary transactions (Bitcoin), message boards (Aether—sort of), and more. Hopefully solutions like Copperhead OS and Blackphone that secure our mobile devices and communication channels, respectively, make it to the mainstream.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Interestingly my problems with it are exactly three things that aren't addressed in the new models: 1. The wireless charging, while seemingly a small thing, was to me a huge improvement in my experience of using the phone. The fact that I can sit down at my desk, plop the phone down, and it'll just work, and when I get up to leave I can just pull it off my desk. Removing the USB cable interaction made the phone a muc…

Aside from the wireless charging which comes as a surprise since the last few generations all had it, I feel like your points don't constitute much of a disappointment for the 5X. #2 and #3 haven't been a part of the Nexus line since at least the N4, so you're in the realm of wishful thinking. I agree having everything you said would be nice, but it's hardly a surprise.

I'm comparing the 5X and 6P, also my Nexus 5, to other Android phones on the market, not just to previous Nexus phones. My previous phone, the Galaxy S3, had both #2 and #3, so I definitely don't consider the features wishful thinking.

As with all puchasing decisions, there are tradeoffs, but I definitely don't think it's wishful thinking to want some hardware features common in competitors' phones. Surprising? No, I'm not surprised, but that doesn't stop me from wanting certain features that I liked in other phones I had.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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As an owner of Nexus 5 I must say I'm a bit disappointed with this announcement. I was looking forwards to upgrading my almost two year old phone to Nexus 5x, but there doesn't seem to be a good reason unless Nexus 5 stops getting new Android updates. They have the same resolution, same amount of memory, same amount of storage. I don't shoot video, and I probably won't use fingerprint reader - but I do use wireless c…

So the thing is, the Nexus 5 was a near-perfect phone (especially considering it was released two years ago), and it's totally reasonable to think it's still doing the job very well -- it is. But that's a fact about the N5, not the N5X/6P. I mean, what would you want from a new phone that would show up on a spec sheet? Faster? Check, both of these are. The 808/810 aren't gigantic generational leaps over the 800, but…

Any 'better' camera sucks without optical image stabilization which neither phone has.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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As nice as the new fingerprint sensors are, they come with some nasty drawbacks[0]: Namely, your defense against legally compelled decryption is significantly weakened via use of a fingerprint sensor, since the phone's unlock mechanism is the same authentication system that the phone's encryption mechanism uses (it would be really nice to have some sort of separation there). The last drawback, I'll simply quote verba…

I'd argue that the fingerprint sensor has no effect on your second scenario, as manufacturers could make a backdoor to send the government your normal password too. The fingerprint sensor doesn't make that bit any easier.

The point was more the notion of fingerprint data itself being collected, and not necessarily for device access purposes.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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People who say this never game this out. 1. Attacker sees random data. 2. Attacker knows you might be smart enough to use a plausible deniability file system. 3. Attacker starts beating you with the wrench. At this point, there are several possibilities that could happen: 1. You give up the secret and give the attacker what he wants. The beating continues after this point, because the attacker really has no idea if y…

If your threat model involves wrench, you are OOL. Fortunately, its not true for most of us.

The world is rife with wrenches and people willing to use them. PD is only good against people who don't have legal leverage against you, and those not willing to break the law to get it.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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I would imagine they implemented it exactly like Google in that they're stored only on the OS and it needs your code to decrypt them. Anything else just doesn't sit right.

Ugh. First off they need to only store hashes of fingerprints, not the fingerprint images themselves. But I hope they are smart enough to do that by now. Second, it's not supposed to be "on the OS". It's supposed to be in TrustZone, the "secure world" separated from the OS. I hope that's what they did, but I worry they may have adopted a more "universal" solution that's a little higher level and less secure (even tho…

FYI, good call with the trust zone (I would have hoped they used that): https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3mzrl9/hi_im_hiroshi_...

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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"You have zero expertise to be saying this." This is 100% false. I do bringup on these platforms. I know a lot about them. "I'm going to favor the industry's interpretation of this a bit more than your anecdotal, occasional compiler-writer knowledge. " Dude, i literally do the toolchain bringup on these platforms you claim i have no knowledge of. This is not "anecdotal occasional compiler-writer knowledge". This is "…

This thread should embarrass you. Christ, I'm embarrassed for you . I linked multiple real world demonstrations (both the technical data, and actual observations of these cores in practice) of how big little is used for power consumption, including specific details of the core power profiles. You still allude to your great, clearly laughable, expertise and actually continue arguing this. Remarkable. You are a Hacker…

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