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Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

shadeless wrote: post #84

As an owner of Nexus 5 I must say I'm a bit disappointed with this announcement. I was looking forwards to upgrading my almost two year old phone to Nexus 5x, but there doesn't seem to be a good reason unless Nexus 5 stops getting new Android updates. They have the same resolution, same amount of memory, same amount of storage. I don't shoot video, and I probably won't use fingerprint reader - but I do use wireless c…

My wife dropped her N5 a few weeks ago and cracked the screen (why are phones still so delicate?). We bought the new Moto G that night from Best Buy. Its pretty much a Nexus 5 but with a 720p screen instead of a 1080p screen. She loves having twice the battery life and the $179 pricepoint was mindblowing. The low and mid range in Android is very competitive. I'm not sure what this new N5 is bringing to the table other than the AOSP Nexus experience. A slightly faster SoC and maybe a little extra battery life? For $400 with tax and shipping, I'm just not seeing the hype that's been dominating /r/android for months.

$499 for a decent 6 inch phone seems like the real story here. Especially if it gets the typical Nexus price cut 6-9 months out. $449 or $399 for this could happen sooner than later, which would be an amazing deal. $499 is still really good, considering the previous N6 launched at $650. I'm surprised Samsung didn't balk at this, its pretty much a shot at their Note line which typically sells for $600+ unsubsidized. I think Google is trying hard to make phablets happen for non-techies any way they can, even to the point of pissing off their biggest OEM's. I also suspect there's some politicking here as Google is trying to groom Huawei to go after Samsung's massive marketshare. Samsung being the defacto Android product isn't good for Google or Android.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by morsch »

zeveb wrote: post #160
morsch wrote: post #44

The price is fine -- in the US. The markup in Germany, and presumably the other EUR-countries, is enormous. The $380 Nexus 5X 16 GB will be sold (when? who knows) for 480 EUR. $380 at today's rates with the 20% VAT added on top is 405 EUR. Maybe I'm missing some massive import duties that go on top of the VAT. Too bad, I was looking forward to it.

> The markup in Germany, and presumably the other EUR-countries, is enormous. Elections have consequences. Presumably the great mass of your countrymen are happy getting additional social services in return for higher taxes.

Your tone is uncalled for. I included the 20% VAT which results in ~405 EUR, and I'm fine with it. I do mind the remaining 75 EUR that go on top of it. Though I just found out that about half of that goes to the copyright industry[1].

[1] http://www.giga.de/unternehmen/gema/news/smartphone-abgabe-3... (German)

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

#193

Post by jholman »

tcdent wrote: post #179
x0x0 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My phones seem to last 24-30 months; they just eventually take enough damage from being in my pocket and moved around all day every day that they die. And battery life goes to crap. I too was hoping for a nice nexus 5 upgrade.

Yow. Here's a perspective from someone who has only owned two iPhones: I purchased the first gen on release day (2007) and carried it my pocket every day without a case until the 5 came out in 2012. I still have it, it still works. I bought my iPhone 5 in 2013 and carry it my pocket every day without a case. It has some cosmetic damage. Not fanboy-ing; I think it's legitimately interesting that most smartphones are s…

I suggest that the difference between yourself and x0x0 is mostly personal, not a difference in phones.

My wife is hard on her stuff; even with a case, her phones (one iPhone, two Android) need replacing every few years.

I don't use a case, and except for slightly lower battery life, my Android phones still look brand-new 4 years later.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by koyote »

shadeless wrote: post #84

As an owner of Nexus 5 I must say I'm a bit disappointed with this announcement. I was looking forwards to upgrading my almost two year old phone to Nexus 5x, but there doesn't seem to be a good reason unless Nexus 5 stops getting new Android updates. They have the same resolution, same amount of memory, same amount of storage. I don't shoot video, and I probably won't use fingerprint reader - but I do use wireless c…

I am in the same boat.

Wireless charging seems to be something very few people use, but those that do love it so much they would not want to trade it. Being able to simply lay my phone on my bedside table at night and have it fully charged the next morning is such a nice thing to have.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by xlm1717 »

oconnore wrote: post #119
shadeless wrote: post #84

As an owner of Nexus 5 I must say I'm a bit disappointed with this announcement. I was looking forwards to upgrading my almost two year old phone to Nexus 5x, but there doesn't seem to be a good reason unless Nexus 5 stops getting new Android updates. They have the same resolution, same amount of memory, same amount of storage. I don't shoot video, and I probably won't use fingerprint reader - but I do use wireless c…

Why are you disappointed? It sounds like a device you bought a few years ago has a longer useful lifespan than you thought. You get to have a state of the art phone for less money when you own it longer. I wonder if devices will start to be built better, with more replaceable components as the rate of spec improvements in mobile devices slows down.

I would hope so. Once the specs all start to converge, then durability will be one of the last selling points they could use.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by rsync »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #79
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #25

Why did Google bother with all of that work to fix SD storage in Android M[0] if they're still not going to put an SD card in their Nexus phones!?! I was holding out hope that I would finally have a reason to buy a Nexus phone with the 5X or 6P, but now that we have the final spec sheet, I think I'm going to just grab an HTC One M9 or something. The lack of expandable storage really kills it for me. [0] http://www.an…

They did the work for third parties to keep it an an option for the lower end market. The higher end market has shown it doesn't care about SD cards and, honestly, I think for good reason: their user experience has always been terrible. Internal storage is faster and more reliable so I think you're always going to see more and more phones, especially flagships, not offer expandable options.

"The higher end market has shown it doesn't care about SD cards and, honestly, I think for good reason: their user experience has always been terrible."

But that's just an easy software fix away. There is nothing inherent to SD cards (or removable storage in general) that makes it a tough UI case. It's pretty simple, actually,

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by chetanahuja »

dangrossman wrote: post #78
bigpeopleareold wrote: post #42

Nexus 5x: Now with a slightly better power button that will not fail after the warranty expires.

My Nexus 4's speaker failed just after a year. I replaced it with a Nexus 5, whose speaker and microphone failed after 7 months. I did a warranty exchange and the refurbished Nexus 5 now in my pocket's speaker and microphone just went out about a week ago. They share a flex cable that runs under the battery and seems to go bad somehow. I messed with the connection but it didn't fix it. I've preordered the 5x, but thi…

Huh... bought a bunch of Nexus4's 3 years ago for family members (a mix of younger and older people). Some of them are still in use, some of them upgraded. Not a single complaint about random hardware failures (except for worsening battery life of course). Also haven't heard this particular complaint about Nexus devices on the forums etc. Are you sure this is not something specific to your use patterns?

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by Retric »

jholman wrote: post #193
tcdent wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yow. Here's a perspective from someone who has only owned two iPhones: I purchased the first gen on release day (2007) and carried it my pocket every day without a case until the 5 came out in 2012. I still have it, it still works. I bought my iPhone 5 in 2013 and carry it my pocket every day without a case. It has some cosmetic damage. Not fanboy-ing; I think it's legitimately interesting that most smartphones are s…

I suggest that the difference between yourself and x0x0 is mostly personal, not a difference in phones. My wife is hard on her stuff; even with a case, her phones (one iPhone, two Android) need replacing every few years. I don't use a case, and except for slightly lower battery life, my Android phones still look brand-new 4 years later.

I used to destroy phones fairly quickly until I stopped keeping my wallet and keys in the same pocket as my phone.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by mkozlows »

shadeless wrote: post #84

As an owner of Nexus 5 I must say I'm a bit disappointed with this announcement. I was looking forwards to upgrading my almost two year old phone to Nexus 5x, but there doesn't seem to be a good reason unless Nexus 5 stops getting new Android updates. They have the same resolution, same amount of memory, same amount of storage. I don't shoot video, and I probably won't use fingerprint reader - but I do use wireless c…

So the thing is, the Nexus 5 was a near-perfect phone (especially considering it was released two years ago), and it's totally reasonable to think it's still doing the job very well -- it is.

But that's a fact about the N5, not the N5X/6P. I mean, what would you want from a new phone that would show up on a spec sheet?

Faster? Check, both of these are. The 808/810 aren't gigantic generational leaps over the 800, but they're significantly faster + 64-bit.

Better screen? They're both bigger; >1080p resolution seems irrelevant on a 5"-ish screen (though obviously welcome on larger screens where 1080p would be under 400 dpi).

More storage? Well, the 6P gives that to you, though the 5X doesn't.

USB Type-C and faster charging? Check.

Better camera? Check.

Bigger battery? Check (2300 mAh for N5, 2700 mAh for 5X).

More RAM? Check on the 6P, the same on the 5X.

Plus the fingerprint thing is probably a bigger deal than you think. Loss of wireless charging is definitely a minus, though.

So that's one downgrade, two specs that haven't changed on the 5X, and six that have; eight of those specs are better on the 6P. That's not a small upgrade, it's just that you have no reason to bother with an upgrade.

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