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Post by jedberg »

threeseed wrote: post #203
jedberg wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not fair to compare the Model X to a Sedan. Do you have numbers for other SUVs? Remember the idea here is that it's assumed you'll be buying a car already. Also, even if the total lifetime carbon was equal, it's still better to buy a vehicle that produces all that carbon in localized places where it could possibly be captured instead of all over crowded urban areas.

Why isn't fair to compare Model X to a Sedan ? It IS basically a sedan. It isn't a Landrover style SUV that you could legitimately take off road.

Because the people buying an X are not replacing a sedan. They are replacing another SUV like an X5 or ML.

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Post by hollerith »

talmand wrote: post #199
6stringmerc wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good point. Maybe there's an asterisk in there somewhere stating this claim is predicated on successfully launching used batteries into space and having them crash into a dump on the moon.

Nah, just get them to orbit and then gently nudge them towards the sun. After the cost of getting out of the gravity well, let physics take care of the rest. We will need the moon one day, no point in trashing it beforehand.

Doesn't work that way. It take about 3 times as much delta v to crash something into the sun from low-earth orbit as it does to put it into orbit in the first place. If you gently nudge something in orbit, it will continue to be at risk of crashing into other orbiting thing or falling back to earth.

(Of course there's also the fact that it's very unlikely that launching even the most dangerous kinds of wastes into space is a net environmental win.)

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Post by dexterdog »

dangrossman wrote: post #167
pookeh wrote: post #124

I don't think I can open those falcon doors when parked inside my garage. Which is a pity because it is damn cold in Canada half the year.

The doors actuate on two hinges and have sonar to detect both horizontal and vertical clearance during all movements. They will adapt to both low ceilings and low side clearances, and need only about a foot of space on either side of your car to open. In the video, Musk talks about garages with small ceilings and then shows a video of the doors opening in one. If there's enough space for you to pull in and get out of…

I wonder how they adapt to having snow on the roof.

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Post by Shivetya »

doczoidberg wrote: post #178

Roughly estimated carbon production of manufacturing (I got these numbers from a german discussion, one source for battery carbon production is: http://www.focus.de/auto/experten/duennes/oekobilanz-von-ele... ): ------------------------------------------ VW Polo GTI: 2 tons BMW M5: 2,5 tons BMW I3: 4 tons Tesla Modell X 13 tons Manufacturing + 100.000km: -------------------------- BMW I3 -> 9,6 tons VW Polo GTI -> 18…

building heavy cars is the only solution when battery tech doesn't allow for light weight batteries. We are at what, four to five pounds of battery for each mile driven? That isn't exactly a great number.

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Post by memonkey »

DEinspanjer wrote: post #6

Okay.. I'm a Model S owner and I love Tesla and I chuckled at the whole Insane mode and gave a bit of an amused snort at Ludicrous mode. This, however, really makes me wonder WTH is going on there: HEPA Air Filters "There are three modes: circulate with outside air, re-circulate inside air and a bioweapon defense mode that creates positive pressure inside the cabin to protect occupants ." EDIT: Very fair points about…

Full disclaimer, I work for a somewhat prestigious air filtration company.

I agree the wording is a little bit on the strange side. However, if they are saying that it's a "bioweapon defense mode" they should probably be saying that they can catch 0.03 microns as opposed to 0.3 microns. That is virus level small. There should also be several filters in there, a large particulate filter for the big stuff, an activated carbon filter for the odors, and an ultra fine particulate filter for the 0.03 kinds of small stuff.

UV ends up not being worth it because you'd have to replace the bulb almost on a monthly basis. Ionizers just make your particulates sticky, so they'd go right through the filter and stick to your clothes/seats/walls.

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Post by codeulike »

mikeash wrote: post #216
omfg wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pricing for standard models was noted to be only 5k more than Model S equivalent.

Which is a little bit misleading, as the Model S starts at $70,000, but the cheapest Model S that's "equivalent" to a Model X (third-row seats, 90kWh battery, etc.) is over $90,000. So that phrasing might lead one to think that the Model X starts at $75,000, while it's probably $95,000 or more depending on just which features they consider to be equivalent.

There will be a Model X 75D or 80D at some point

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Post by chisleu »

DEinspanjer wrote: post #6

Okay.. I'm a Model S owner and I love Tesla and I chuckled at the whole Insane mode and gave a bit of an amused snort at Ludicrous mode. This, however, really makes me wonder WTH is going on there: HEPA Air Filters "There are three modes: circulate with outside air, re-circulate inside air and a bioweapon defense mode that creates positive pressure inside the cabin to protect occupants ." EDIT: Very fair points about…

People who shall remain nameless have been installing custom paintball gun-like devices on the undercarriages of cars with hoppers filled with pepper spray balls. Normally aimed to the rear of the car, they can be used to stop dangerous tailgaters or the like.

I'm sure there are other things in the works, so this isn't really that far fetched.

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Post by ghaff »

coldpie wrote: post #141
chillydawg wrote: post #3

How is that an SUV?

"SUV" doesn't mean anything specific. Look around you on the road: SUVs are the new minivans. People buying new cars today grew up in minivans, and the last thing you want to drive is the thing your mom drove. Give it another 20 years and I bet we see the minivan come back in style as kids growing up with SUVs now think of them as the soccer-mom-mobiles that they are.

Actually, a lot of my whitewater paddling friends favor minivans over SUVs for a combination of being able to haul a lot of gear and ease of shuttling people.

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Post by czinck »

josefresco wrote: post #64
bluedino wrote: post #25

>> 5,000lb towing capacity Curious as to what happens to the range when you're towing a pair of jetskis.

Fun fact: The MPG of my full size truck decreases by almost 50% when towing. So if the Tesla gets better than 50% of it's range while towing, I'll be impressed.

Is your truck gas, or are you towing way more than 5000 lbs?

My guess is it would get better than 50% of its range because while you're (practically) doubling the weight, that doesn't matter because of the regenerative braking. Electric cars spend most of their energy fighting drag (as evidenced by people taking a model S almost 600 miles on one charge at 20 mph) and a 5000 lb trailer probably won't double the drag profile.

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Post by declan »

josefresco wrote: post #150
chuckcode wrote: post #120

All it takes is a billionaire genius with twin kids and a car company to finally engineer a real solution to the hassle of having room to put kids in the car seats. I sure hope some of these ideas come in a slightly more affordable version. Amazing how many of the innovations are just everyday things like crash safety, air quality, blind holster your phone, trailer hitch that doesn't suck, and easier to get kids in t…

In all seriousness, how does the Model X improve buckling your kids over a sliding minivan door? Never had trouble with this, I've owned a car, truck, SUV and minivan with young kids. Biggest headache? The kids buckling themselves. The seatbelt always locks (they pull too fast), the buckles get smushed into the seat bench, and before you know it I have exited the car, just to help them put it altogether.

Yep. I love the performance of Tesla's cars, but a humble minivan already has (far less attractive) sliding doors with very large openings.

To be fair to Tesla, Elon Musk did address this around two-thirds of the way through his presentation yesterday, saying "when the minivan door is open I can't even get through that space." I suspect he'd also say the Model X's doors provide a vertical opening in addition to a side opening, which can be useful for adults in the second or third row.

On the other hand, I've driven a Honda minivan quite a bit and I can't think of any times when I couldn't squeeze through the available space when the minivan door was open in a parking lot. So there is a bit of solving a problem that may not be very much of one.

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