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I Have Read Prop F

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Re: I Have Read Prop F

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Post by MCRed »

thrwwy707 wrote: post #48
No1 wrote: post #31

I saw some campaign propaganda today. One side of the flier has a guy named Aaron Peskin imploring me to vote yes on Prop F and Prop I. Prop F is the mess thoughtfully critiqued in this write-up, Prop I is a moratorium on building new market-rate housing. Oh, and he's on the "more affordable rent" campaign platform, because if you want to make rent more affordable, clearly the best way is by preventing construction o…

>Prop I is a moratorium on building new market-rate housing Are these people completely insane? Shouldn't there be propositions for denser zoning, land reclamation, or other measures that would increase the SF housing stock? Houston has famously lax zoning laws, and as a consequence has seen much greater population growth (31% vs 18% from 1980-2010 per wikipedia) yet experienced none of these same problems.

They're actually operating in a way that is very profitable to them. If you own property- a house or business real estate- you want a moratorium on new supply. Because not giving new supply will cause the value of your current property to go up. Of course its an "anti-affordable housing" position... but it's not insane.

The anti-development types are taking a very profitable position for themselves.

Re: I Have Read Prop F

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Post by dang »

luckydata wrote: post #54
Mz wrote: post #7

Wow: This is where it’s clear the authors overreached and created a toxic spill waiting to happen. If the City finds you did indeed host someone or assisted someone else as such, even for one night, then the City can take action against you. But then it gets absolutely bonkers. If you didn’t host anyone, or it was just your Aunt Rose visiting for the weekend, then your cranky neighbor can still sue you anyway, and th…

It would be incredibly bad if it was true, but it's not. The willingness to believe EVERYTHING a tech company shill will publish online by this community speaks very poorly of its character and intelligence.

If by "this community" you mean HN, you're as much a part of it as anyone else. Everyone here is required to post civilly and substantively, or not at all. Please re-read the site guidelines and follow them.

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Re: I Have Read Prop F

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Post by dang »

luckydata wrote: post #53

reading the proposition would help, but that's beside the point ain't it? Someone really needed to let us know how fantastic things are when the gubmint gets out of the way. Got it.

Please stop posting uncivil comments to Hacker News.

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Re: I Have Read Prop F

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Post by dang »

bsder wrote: post #63

Edit: Thread parent lost due to moderator detach: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10281311 Houston also has four freakin' beltways (I610, TX 8, TX 6, and TX 99). Comparing a city that is the poster child for "sprawl" with a chunk of real estate that is more than a little landfill and locked on 3 sides with water is more than a little disingenuous. Houston's second beltway would encircle San Mateo, some of Oaklan…

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Re: I Have Read Prop F

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Post by irq11 »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #85
irq11 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the answer box on Google: https://www.google.com/search?q=population+density+brooklyn&... http://www.brooklyn.com/population.html

From your second link - "There are about 34,916 people per square mile in Brooklyn"

It also says explicitly that there are about 10,000 people per square mile elsewhere in the same page.

Re: I Have Read Prop F

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Post by beatpanda »

>I have been a part-time homesharer

You have not. You are a rentier. You are running a business. Please stop this violence against the English language.

I use hospitality exchange websites to actually share my home, that is offer my home as a place to stay free of charge. What people do on AirBnB, VRBO, and others is not sharing, it's commerce, and we have different words for describing that.

Appropriating the language of mutual aid and generosity to describe a business transaction is insulting. Please stop it.

Re: I Have Read Prop F

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Post by bcoates »

ubernostrum wrote: post #25
on_ wrote: post #12

I Have Read this Medium Post. The author makes a great case against Prop F, prop F seems like a totally shitty law and isn't going to fix the housing problem. It sounds like that isn't what the law is about anyway, but there is a great way to fix the housing problem. The argument he seems to allude to in his notes, is that people seem to choose sides based on their sentiment surrounding the current resedential/housin…

Of course, California also interferes with the market to discourage selling real estate. Proposition 13 disconnected property tax rates from the value of the property (by capping the increase in assessed value at 2% per year, far below the increase in actual market value). Which created a massive incentive to hold real estate as long as possible without selling, since the only time the tax rate can reset to being bas…

Proposition 13 didn't do that; the various governments who petulantly refused to adapt their tax regimes to the Prop 13 limits did. The bizarre incentives created by almost 40 years of attempting to strong-arm voters into giving power back to legislatures could be fixed by legislatures without doing anything to Prop 13.

Re: I Have Read Prop F

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Post by dang »

timr wrote: post #46

It's really quite remarkable that you can know so little about something, yet be so judgmental about it at the same time. Go 'mericuh! Prop I is a temporary (18 month) moratorium in one neighborhood (the Mission), for only a limited subset of projects, coupled with the requirement that the city has to create a "neighborbood stabilization plan" by the end of that period [1]. It is not a "moratorium on building new mar…

> It's really quite remarkable that you can know so little about something, yet be so judgmental about it at the same time. Go 'mericuh!

As I'm sure you know, there is no place on Hacker News for inflammatory attacks against other users.

The commenters who have taken what was a substantive, reasonable thread about an interesting (beyond just local SF politics) subject and turned it into an angry insult match are breaking everything we're trying to achieve in this community. Users who do this disqualify themselves from participating in the discussion.

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Re: I Have Read Prop F

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Post by tg3 »

s73v3r wrote: post #62
fraserharris wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The heart of your argument is that there is some clear distinction between residential and commercial which doesn't actually exist. Residential properties have always been used for profit - its called an apartment. These visitors are renting in a residential area precisely because they want a residential experience. The "burden" on your neighbors from short-term visitors is highly overblown. What actual impact on the…

"The heart of your argument is that there is some clear distinction between residential and commercial which doesn't actually exist. Residential properties have always been used for profit - its called an apartment." That's a completely different situation, and not at all relevant to this conversation. "These visitors are renting in a residential area precisely because they want a residential experience." And I want…

What is the burden of short-term visitors? I've heard that said before, but I've never heard any actual examples of problems that occur from short-term visitors that aren't present with long-term residents.

Re: I Have Read Prop F

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Post by bsimpson »

wutwatt wrote: post #61
bsimpson wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious what you think of all the young people who move into the city after college and become roommates with one another. I've lived with people who make $50,000 per year, and with people who make 2 or 3 times that much. Because studios and one-bedrooms have become so expensive, we've started renting spaces with anywhere from 2 to 6 bedrooms. Having 6 adults who can afford to collectively pay $9000+ a month bidd…

Having 6 adults who can afford to collectively pay $9000+ a month bidding against you very rare. bidding against someone who's going to Airbnb the extra rooms increasingly common.

Personally, all my friends with roommates are in 4-6 bedroom apartments, and $1500 per room is not uncommon. I know these are anecdotes that aren't necessarily representative of the city, but given the prevalence of both high-paying jobs for young people and roommate-situations here, I don't feel like it's that uncommon.
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