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Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Vaskivo »

surge wrote: post #158
Vaskivo wrote: post #49

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Not all of it was "great", but definitevely left their mark on the internet and in society: Of the top of my head: - The thousands of memes, from rickrolling to rage comics. - Dusty the cat - Project Chanology - Gamergate - The Fappening - Karen, the school bus monitor - Snakes on a Plane (movie), Cave Story (game) and many others became highly successfull after becoming viral in 4chan. - Risk of Rain (game), Engine…

I believe Minecraft also first gained initial popularity there or where it was initially exposed to a larger audience, back when it was still alpha. 4chan is where a lot of things took root or first came to be "before they were cool", and they might never have been cool or gone unnoticed on other communities. It was a catch all for the best and worst of what you could find on the Internet. It's a place where the wors…

Yeah, I remember buying minecraft from all the 4chan viral, weeks after survival mode was announced (and infinite mode was to be released).

Nowadays, I feel proud of it. Although Minecraft isn't "my kind of game", I feel like I made a difference in the game industry/panorama.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by wingerlang »

JohnBooty wrote: post #92
wingerlang wrote: post #30

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His resume should be pretty damn impressive though. Those numbers are huge.

Incredible resume, but it doesn't necessarily mean companies will be lining up to hire moot. What I mean is: 4chan was a singular achievement. You couldn't exactly just slot moot in at Imgur or Reddit or Hacker News or some other community; his talents wouldn't necessarily be transferable/applicable. I say that with a great deal of respect for moot and what he built, even if some really horrible stuff came out of tha…

He also had another webpage, the name escapes me, that ran for quite a while. And if I am not super-mistaken, a similar app. While it/they failed in the end, it definitely shows additional drive coming from him.

Does the "horrible" stuff _really_ matter though? Do you think the admins/creators of reddit should deserve less credit/respect because of the many horrible subreddits? I really don't see why the bad stuff would lower the achievement/respect towards moot, he has always been against it, cooperated with law and police and he has 'staff' that are dedicated to remove the bad stuff. Why aren't those things considered?

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Post by DrPizza »

exstudent2 wrote: post #190
eropple wrote: post #189

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No, it's not. Don't get me wrong: I am certain that you believe that. I am not calling you a liar. But you're wrong. The core of GamerGate is the same bunch of misogynistic tools who have been around for years, occasionally manifesting into a herpetic flare-up somewhere or other before going away again for a while. (They didn't come from 4chan, but they incubated there.) Guys like Milo Yiannopolous don't give a shit…

I think you're conflating hurting women and fighting feminism. They are not the same thing. I'm not a feminist but that doesn't mean I'm a misogynist. It just means I don't agree with the tactics and politics employed by feminists (as a political group). I can't speak for everyone in GG, but I think my opinion is shared with others. > None of the misogynistic toolbags have been chased from their homes, none of them h…

> I think you're conflating hurting women and fighting feminism. They are not the same thing.

Kappa.

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Post by DrPizza »

exstudent2 wrote: post #176
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #166

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You missed the part where that was a complete fabrication. Zoe Quinn didn't sleep with game reviewers, and even if she did, those supposed articles never materialised.

Here's Kotaku EIC Stephen Totilo admitting to Kotaku's ethical failures re: GamerGate. https://archive.is/4Tp9N#selection-7679.0-7679.603 He's downplaying it but the failures to disclose personal ties DID exist in many cases. He also references other ethical failings from Kotaku. None of this would have come to light without GamerGate. They regularly make references to pre-existing relationships now. Note that this i…

> None of this would have come to light without GamerGate.

Including the stuff in his comment that happened before GamerGate and was widely known about and reported on before GamerGate?

"None of this" indeed.

Oh, and Totilo doesn't describe any kind of compromising relationship between Quinn and any of his writers, which merely underscores the fundamentally dishonest basis of the entire "movement". "ethics in games journalism" was always a pretext for "attack Zoe Quinn", which is why you idiots continue to bitch about "oh gosh someone in the games industry knows someone else" and not, you know, "major games publishers won't deal with critical outlets" or "major games publishers try to break through the Chinese wall between editorial and advertising by holding outlets hostage" or "non-disclosure of advertising funded by major publishers is routine on YouTube" or "the games industry is fundamentally corrupted by the widespread use of pre-orders rendering titles immune to reviews or even basic quality control" or "major publishers routinely use death marches, even though this is detrimental to both game quality and programmer wellbeing" or all sorts of other issues that actually matter worth a damn.

But no, you keep harping on about the utterly fucking trivial indie games industry, if it can even be called that.

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Post by exstudent2 »

DrPizza wrote: post #214
exstudent2 wrote: post #176

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Here's Kotaku EIC Stephen Totilo admitting to Kotaku's ethical failures re: GamerGate. https://archive.is/4Tp9N#selection-7679.0-7679.603 He's downplaying it but the failures to disclose personal ties DID exist in many cases. He also references other ethical failings from Kotaku. None of this would have come to light without GamerGate. They regularly make references to pre-existing relationships now. Note that this i…

> None of this would have come to light without GamerGate. Including the stuff in his comment that happened before GamerGate and was widely known about and reported on before GamerGate? "None of this" indeed. Oh, and Totilo doesn't describe any kind of compromising relationship between Quinn and any of his writers, which merely underscores the fundamentally dishonest basis of the entire "movement". "ethics in games j…

Of course you would say that. And of course you don't disclose your own personal history with GG: https://m.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2n0rxz/casey_...

You are one of the unethical journalists in question.

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Post by DrPizza »

exstudent2 wrote: post #215
DrPizza wrote: post #214

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> None of this would have come to light without GamerGate. Including the stuff in his comment that happened before GamerGate and was widely known about and reported on before GamerGate? "None of this" indeed. Oh, and Totilo doesn't describe any kind of compromising relationship between Quinn and any of his writers, which merely underscores the fundamentally dishonest basis of the entire "movement". "ethics in games j…

Of course you would say that. And of course you don't disclose your own personal history with GG: https://m.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2n0rxz/casey_... You are one of the unethical journalists in question.

Please enumerate all my unethical journalistic acts, thanks.

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Post by exstudent2 »

DrPizza wrote: post #216
exstudent2 wrote: post #215

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Of course you would say that. And of course you don't disclose your own personal history with GG: https://m.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2n0rxz/casey_... You are one of the unethical journalists in question.

Please enumerate all my unethical journalistic acts, thanks.

You need look no further than your obvious agenda in the comments here. You totally misrepresent what Totilo says, you add snark laden, content free comments (what's 'kappa' mean?), and generally act like you're throwing a tantrum.

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Post by DrPizza »

exstudent2 wrote: post #217
DrPizza wrote: post #216

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Please enumerate all my unethical journalistic acts, thanks.

You need look no further than your obvious agenda in the comments here. You totally misrepresent what Totilo says, you add snark laden, content free comments (what's 'kappa' mean?), and generally act like you're throwing a tantrum.

Journalists are allowed to have an agenda. There is no such thing as an unbiased journalist. Even the mere selection of _which stories to write about_ is an expression of bias, as there is no universally agreed upon objective standard of newsworthiness.

Having an agenda does not make me an unethical journalist. Nor does writing things that you do not like on an online message board. Try harder. Here's everything I've written in a professional capacity: http://arstechnica.com/author/peter-bright/. Which of these acts of journalism are unethical, and why?

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Post by DanBC »

exstudent2 wrote: post #217
DrPizza wrote: post #216

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Please enumerate all my unethical journalistic acts, thanks.

You need look no further than your obvious agenda in the comments here. You totally misrepresent what Totilo says, you add snark laden, content free comments (what's 'kappa' mean?), and generally act like you're throwing a tantrum.

So you lied?

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Post by Karunamon »

DanBC wrote: post #126
Karunamon wrote: post #121

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Wait, what? Did you click through any of the links on those pages you cite? In the very fist example you mention, every bit of that is substantiated via an archive link. Quinn's game is unpolished garbage as revied, Kuchera did contribute financially to her, and Hernandez is friends with her and did write about her without disclosing that. Those are not lies, or even misleading in the least. They are all trivially ve…

When I do it it's networking and growth hacking. When she does it she's a dirty whore, cheating on her partner and exploiting and manipulating men. (and whether actually did this or not is irrelevant, we're going to keep saying she did and supporting that with total bullshit).

By the way: HN Notify got to your snarky comment before you did.

The links you gave were interesting, so thanks for that, but I don't appreciate your implication that I was "lying" because you misunderstand a conversation's thread.

http://i.imgur.com/TLuTJRk.png

Are you going to reply to the other post or not?

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