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Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Karunamon »

DanBC wrote: post #126
Karunamon wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, what? Did you click through any of the links on those pages you cite? In the very fist example you mention, every bit of that is substantiated via an archive link. Quinn's game is unpolished garbage as revied, Kuchera did contribute financially to her, and Hernandez is friends with her and did write about her without disclosing that. Those are not lies, or even misleading in the least. They are all trivially ve…

When I do it it's networking and growth hacking. When she does it she's a dirty whore, cheating on her partner and exploiting and manipulating men. (and whether actually did this or not is irrelevant, we're going to keep saying she did and supporting that with total bullshit).

If your definition of "networking and growth hacking" means writing positive coverage for people you are friends with and/or financially contribute to while not telling people that, your definitions are broken.

It's not okay. It might even be against FTC rules. Full stop, end of story.

By the way, why are we talking about whether if you do it is okay or not when just one post ago you were calling the (sourced, verified) accusations outright lies?

As to who Zoe did or did not sleep with- kind of irrelevant in the long run, but if you're going to bring up any mention of it as perpetuating a lie, I'm obligated to address that.

Eron, her ex, posted a ton of chatlogs on the original post that started this whole thing (including that stupid "five guys burgers" meme).

It doesn't look like a lie to me. If is, it's the most exhaustively fabricated and backed plot I've seen this side of a crazy soap opera.

I'm not asking you to agree with me, here. I'm asking you to exercise the same dispassionate, critical analysis you'd use on any other topic.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by krapp »

ceedan wrote: post #122
krapp wrote: post #104

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Still, there has to be some some value in having "Creator and administrator of 4Chan" on one's resume.

Most HR people would see that, be disgusted and throw the resume in the trash. 4chan does not have a good reputation amongst internet laymen. Maybe some of the more savvy HR people would be more impressed by the implied technical aspects of accomplishing such a thing, though.

That's probably true. But chances are, the better jobs with those savvy HR people might not even have noticed his resume otherwise.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

Karunamon wrote: post #41
comrh wrote: post #38

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So some research and it is easy to see the beginning of the GG movement was mainly a force to harass people like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian.

The start of it, sure. This is all public record at this point. Judging what exists now by what existed over a year ago is hardly fair. People who actually harass people are now loudly shouted down wherever they're seen doing it.

> People who actually harass people are now loudly shouted down wherever they're seen doing it.

This is frequently claimed but there's little evidence of it.

If you even dare to talk about gamergate publicly, you will be dogpiled. If you criticise them, you will receive rape and death threats.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

mushtifaha wrote: post #19
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #8

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A lot of 4chan users got upset when moot banned gamergate, the thinly-disguised harassment campaign. Since gamergate characterises any opposition to it whatsoever as being from 'SJWs', 4chan mods are thus 'SJWs'.

> the thinly-disguised harassment campaign I am not convinced that repeating a lie a thousand times will make this claim the truth. The propaganda may have worked well back when gamergate was completely unknown to the general public, but we are past that, I think.

On the contrary, the claim is the truth, and the idea that gamergate is not a harassment campaign is a lie. The original creators of the movement explicitly stated that it was intended to be such, and that 'ethics in game journalism' is a cover story.

Of course, most members of gamergate do not believe they are in a harassment campaign, but why would they? The leaders of the movement will indulge them and tell them what they are doing is just.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by exstudent2 »

icebraining wrote: post #75
Karunamon wrote: post #41

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The start of it, sure. This is all public record at this point. Judging what exists now by what existed over a year ago is hardly fair. People who actually harass people are now loudly shouted down wherever they're seen doing it.

Frankly, and this is not specific to GG, but I don't get why would one join a movement if one disapproves of how it got started. If one doesn’t want to be associated with assholes, maybe one shouldn't associate themselves with asshole-created groups.

A lot of people joined GG because there is/was no alternative for people who held views opposed to those in the mainstream. It's one of the only groups fighting for unmitigated free speech on the internet. It's made for some strange bedfellows but in the end it's an anti-censorship campaign (that happens to have identified the group pushing for censorship).

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by dvdcxn »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #129
dvdcxn wrote: post #119

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Calling it harassment is a huge discredit to a movement that holds very valid criticisms of both these people. Edit: I should qualify this. Both sides of the issue have their shitshows distorting the debate with harassment and dirty tactics. At its core gamergate is a conflict between cultural authoritarians and libertarians. It is just the beginning of a wider issue, the old guard of the internet, those that believe…

Death and rape threats are not 'valid criticism'.

You have fallen into the same trap as both sides in taking the radicals behaviour as typical of the movement as a whole. Well done, you are why we cant have nice things.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by joshu »

brador wrote: post #72
pervycreeper wrote: post #48

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>My guess? $10 million n/w post sale, most likely much more. Any particular reasoning behind that guess?

He was sole founder, but allegedly had shadow investors. Sale/takeover - Similar sites that sold, Reddit, myspace ($35m), Digg. 4chans value to particular buyers, potential with a pivot/reculture. It's a smoking hot site for PR if you can fool/fake the users, and right now it's election time. What would you say 4chan is maximally worth to the buyer who can extract the most value from it? I can see someone dropping $4…

digg sold for $500k?

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

Karunamon wrote: post #32
robin_reala wrote: post #29

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You’re partially right at least. It’s now a completely undisguised harassment campaign.

Yeah, no. People claiming "harassment!" absent evidence is not proof of said harassment existing, doubly so when the people shouting the loudest have a profit motive for its supposed existence. Also: It would be rather disingenuous to claim that gamergate are a bunch of harassers without acknowledging that prominent people within the movement have received things like syringes and knives in the mail... and been black…

> People claiming "harassment!" absent evidence is not proof of said harassment existing

Who said there's no evidence?

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by [deleted] »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #129
dvdcxn wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling it harassment is a huge discredit to a movement that holds very valid criticisms of both these people. Edit: I should qualify this. Both sides of the issue have their shitshows distorting the debate with harassment and dirty tactics. At its core gamergate is a conflict between cultural authoritarians and libertarians. It is just the beginning of a wider issue, the old guard of the internet, those that believe…

Death and rape threats are not 'valid criticism'.

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Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by DonHopkins »

BookmarkSaver wrote: post #105
DonHopkins wrote: post #93

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By directly invoking Godwin himself, are you saying that Godwin created something so influential, that shaped internet culture for better and for worse, that Godwin's Law itself is an achievement to be proud of, even if he never made much money from it?

He's comparing him to Hitler. Hitler had a huge influence on the world, for better and for worse, but that doesn't mean it is something he should necessarily be proud of.

Never heard of him. I thought we were comparing moot with Michael Godwin, not whoever this "Hitler" character you're bringing up is.
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