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Just doesn’t feel good

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Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by randx838 »

billyhoffman wrote: post #184
bcrescimanno wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to infer motives because I don't know. I will say that I am among those who doesn't really believe this is simply a morality tale. There are several folks here, like yourself, who are basically saying, "yeah, I can understand the mentality of not wanting to do and ad-blocker because of the moral grey area" I can understand that as well. What I can't understand is the quite sudden change of heart 2 days a…

2 days is a short period of time, but the context over those days is massively different. On Sept 16th, a few dozen beta testers may have been using Peace and giving Marco feedback. On Sept 18, Peace is the top ranked app in the app store, displacing MineCraft. MineCraft! Estimates are in the 12000-15000 downloads on the first day[1]. You look in your iTunes connect account and realize you on the path to make $100K o…

> realize you on the path to make $100K on an app that, rightly or wrongly, could impact other people's livelihoods

Because someone giving me 100k for an app which wrote, to use it for the exact purpose I made it for is certainly /the/ reason I would change my mind about making it...

> and subject me to a torrent of unpleasantness. But that’ll end soon enough, and that’s better than how I’d feel if I kept going.

What he doesn't say is that he is obviously already getting what amounts to a "torrent of unpleasantness", from people which are more like colleagues than customers. Of course, no one wants to admit to kowtowing, so there is no mention of it, but as we can see, he cares about this sort of thing, so it was obviously a significant factor.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by daxfohl »

bcrescimanno wrote: post #127
cjensen wrote: post #20

Lots of people here trying to infer motives. Why not just believe what he says? He's a guy who has enough money, wants to do what he loves, and doesn't enjoy controversy. He's hacker enough to want to muck about with how to make a blocker, but it's not his joy. Basically, he's what many of us aspire to be.

I don't want to infer motives because I don't know. I will say that I am among those who doesn't really believe this is simply a morality tale. There are several folks here, like yourself, who are basically saying, "yeah, I can understand the mentality of not wanting to do and ad-blocker because of the moral grey area" I can understand that as well. What I can't understand is the quite sudden change of heart 2 days a…

"Dr. Frankenstein cries aloud: 'My God, what have I done?'" It happens.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by cheald »

msoad wrote: post #74

* I don't want ads * I don't want native advertising or sponsored content * I don't want to pay for content * I don't want my tax goes to government sponsored content * I want free independent content That's me nowadays... I don't even know what's the answer!

The endgame of your position is that the content you'll receive is that which has zero marginal production cost. I hope you enjoy bot-generated content farms.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by antirez »

billyhoffman wrote: post #184
bcrescimanno wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to infer motives because I don't know. I will say that I am among those who doesn't really believe this is simply a morality tale. There are several folks here, like yourself, who are basically saying, "yeah, I can understand the mentality of not wanting to do and ad-blocker because of the moral grey area" I can understand that as well. What I can't understand is the quite sudden change of heart 2 days a…

2 days is a short period of time, but the context over those days is massively different. On Sept 16th, a few dozen beta testers may have been using Peace and giving Marco feedback. On Sept 18, Peace is the top ranked app in the app store, displacing MineCraft. MineCraft! Estimates are in the 12000-15000 downloads on the first day[1]. You look in your iTunes connect account and realize you on the path to make $100K o…

I don't believe he wrote an app hoping to have a small user base, so I don't believe that the success of the app was the problem. Without to mention that there are a number of ways to fix that, including finding a price point that makes it less interesting in order to reduces the installation base. But if the app was created in the first place, it was because the idea was to make everybody install it. It's a blackbox since we don't know the details but from the outside output I don't believe the blog post contains all the facts that influenced this choice.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by dublinben »

untog wrote: post #196
Filligree wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it entitled to want to keep up with society, when I pay $10/GB for bandwidth?

Why on earth are you paying $10/GB for bandwidth?

Presumably because that is the price that their provider sells it for. Most people do not have a choice of ISP, and cannot negotiate the terms of their service.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by daxfohl »

Robin Hood the thing. Give exactly 100% of the money to starving children. Literally. Personally, not through some charity. Literally go to a 3rd-world nation (on your own money, don't dare touch money collected through the app), find parents of starving children, and give them each a $100 bill.

Start a trend. Start that trend. Be that person. Not just the person who had a hit iOS app. Be the person who eliminates hunger by setting a simple, obvious, example. Does that feel good?

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by teaneedz »

billyhoffman wrote: post #184
bcrescimanno wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to infer motives because I don't know. I will say that I am among those who doesn't really believe this is simply a morality tale. There are several folks here, like yourself, who are basically saying, "yeah, I can understand the mentality of not wanting to do and ad-blocker because of the moral grey area" I can understand that as well. What I can't understand is the quite sudden change of heart 2 days a…

2 days is a short period of time, but the context over those days is massively different. On Sept 16th, a few dozen beta testers may have been using Peace and giving Marco feedback. On Sept 18, Peace is the top ranked app in the app store, displacing MineCraft. MineCraft! Estimates are in the 12000-15000 downloads on the first day[1]. You look in your iTunes connect account and realize you on the path to make $100K o…

Can you or anyone else tell me if The Deck ads still track and employ targeting. If they do, then personally I'd consider them still invasive and worth blocking. If not, then I see his point.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by EGreg »

I don't get it. What was this Peace app? How did it get to the top of the charts right away upon release? How is an App Store app able to block ads in other apps?

These are all questions I wish marco would have answered for the developers reading his piece.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by untog »

dublinben wrote: post #215
untog wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why on earth are you paying $10/GB for bandwidth?

Presumably because that is the price that their provider sells it for. Most people do not have a choice of ISP, and cannot negotiate the terms of their service.

...which is why I'm curious to know who they are getting their service from. A price point like that ought to be named and shamed if users have no other option.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by gohrt »

teaneedz wrote: post #217
billyhoffman wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2 days is a short period of time, but the context over those days is massively different. On Sept 16th, a few dozen beta testers may have been using Peace and giving Marco feedback. On Sept 18, Peace is the top ranked app in the app store, displacing MineCraft. MineCraft! Estimates are in the 12000-15000 downloads on the first day[1]. You look in your iTunes connect account and realize you on the path to make $100K o…

Can you or anyone else tell me if The Deck ads still track and employ targeting. If they do, then personally I'd consider them still invasive and worth blocking. If not, then I see his point.

marco claims Deck doesn't track, per link above
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