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Just doesn’t feel good

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Re: Just doesn’t feel good

#11
Well that was quick.

I see things as he does, the ads are terrible, but it's silly to try to pretend like ad-blockers are an unalloyed good. This situation will continue to worsen, and as I see it, will hasten the popularity of Facebook's new instant-article feature and similar.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

#12
If you are getting money from a legal activity you consider morally unsound, consider donating the profits to a charity GiveWell recommends. Some other service will pick up the slack, so throwing in the towel and your profits is a very inefficient means of stopping that act you consider to be morally unsound. In fact, you're subsidizing those without moral scruples.

Stopping this because it "feels wrong" is odd. Donate the profits to a charity. At the absurd extreme, If you honestly feel adblocking is a moral problem, donate the profits to an anti-adblocking lobby. Throwing away your money is throwing away your leverage.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Although I have no direct knowledge, it feels like there is something going on behind the scenes forcing this reaction. If I had to guess, I would point the finger at Ghostery causing this. Lifehacker wrote¹ that Ghostery sells some data to marketers, so perhaps the approach taken with the app interferes with Ghostery's model and they were not willing to continue allowing access to their rule list. Alternatively Ghos…

Alternatively: I am seeing a lot of angry articles by journalists who see adblockers as an existential threat to them, and Marco also developed Instapaper. He's almost certainly already getting hate mail from content sites who don't like the way that Instapaper renders their content readable without allowing annoying intrusions. Releasing Peace on top of Instapaper set him up as a high-profile target -- even higher w…

Instapaper is owned by Instapaper Holdings (Betaworks), not Marco. (In addition to starting Instapaper, Marco also started a publication called The Magazine, which he sold and is now shuttered.)

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

#15
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I wonder why he made this decision after launching. The consequences and economics of ad-blocking are nothing new or surprising, and I'm sure he knew this while developing the app. Sounds like he was threatened or blackmailed.

Meh, who knows, but tossing the word "blackmailed" in there is unnecessarily sensationalist, imo. All sorts of things can be "known" in the abstract, and still feel far more intense when experienced in reality.

Yeah, I agree.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Although I have no direct knowledge, it feels like there is something going on behind the scenes forcing this reaction. If I had to guess, I would point the finger at Ghostery causing this. Lifehacker wrote¹ that Ghostery sells some data to marketers, so perhaps the approach taken with the app interferes with Ghostery's model and they were not willing to continue allowing access to their rule list. Alternatively Ghos…

Alternatively: I am seeing a lot of angry articles by journalists who see adblockers as an existential threat to them, and Marco also developed Instapaper. He's almost certainly already getting hate mail from content sites who don't like the way that Instapaper renders their content readable without allowing annoying intrusions. Releasing Peace on top of Instapaper set him up as a high-profile target -- even higher w…

Marco Arment sold Instapaper more than two years ago and as far as I know, is not directly involved with it in any way today. Still, as evident by your comment, his name is of course very much associated with it.

http://www.marco.org/2013/04/25/instapaper-next-generation

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

#17
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively: I am seeing a lot of angry articles by journalists who see adblockers as an existential threat to them, and Marco also developed Instapaper. He's almost certainly already getting hate mail from content sites who don't like the way that Instapaper renders their content readable without allowing annoying intrusions. Releasing Peace on top of Instapaper set him up as a high-profile target -- even higher w…

Instapaper is owned by Instapaper Holdings (Betaworks), not Marco. (In addition to starting Instapaper, Marco also started a publication called The Magazine, which he sold and is now shuttered.)

He sold a majority stake to Betaworks, but he is still an owner.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

#18

I wonder why he made this decision after launching. The consequences and economics of ad-blocking are nothing new or surprising, and I'm sure he knew this while developing the app. Sounds like he was threatened or blackmailed.

Probably not "threatened" so much as chagrined by the flood of "ad blockers are killing the independent web" articles that accompanied the release of the iOS ad blockers, such as this one from The Verge: http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/17/9338963/welcome-to-hell-ap...

It's one thing to know you're hurting somebody's livelihood in the abstract, it's another to have them specifically call you out over it.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I had to guess, I would point the finger at Ghostery causing this. Lifehacker wrote that Ghostery sells some data to marketers, so perhaps the approach taken with the app interferes with Ghosterys model Doubtful that's the case. If you read his post, he recommends Ghostery several times. It just sounds like he ultimately didn't feel comfortable about making money off something that takes money out of other peopl…

Recommending them means nothing at all. That is practically the status quo when breaking up with another business, employee or whatever when it is done publicly. (and this obviously had to be public)

Right...but nothing about Marco's statement suggests anything besides, "It turns out I feel really weird about making an ad blocker, and there isn't any way I can make an ad blocker that works in a way that doesn't make me feel weird with the iOS framework, so I'm not going to make one anymore."

Why not take his statement at face value? He's personally reliant on ad income from his site, as are several of his friends, so it makes sense that profiting off an ad blocker makes him uncomfortable. No conspiracy needed.

(For background, see: http://www.marco.org/2015/09/17/why-peace-blocks-deck-ads)

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

#20
Lots of people here trying to infer motives. Why not just believe what he says? He's a guy who has enough money, wants to do what he loves, and doesn't enjoy controversy. He's hacker enough to want to muck about with how to make a blocker, but it's not his joy.

Basically, he's what many of us aspire to be.

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