Just doesn’t feel good • Hacker News Board

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 5:44 PM UTC

DanBlake wrote: post #75

cjensen wrote: post #20

Lots of people here trying to infer motives. Why not just believe what he says? He's a guy who has enough money, wants to do what he loves, and doesn't enjoy controversy. He's hacker enough to want to muck about with how to make a blocker, but it's not his joy. Basically, he's what many of us aspire to be.

I assume you are responding to me primarily. This is the issue- Him having 'fuck you' money makes no difference to me. Plenty of rich people do things with a hidden agenda. Personally I feel like the reason he gave seems far fetched and much less likely then another causation point. So, with Occam's razor in mind I default to my viewpoint that this was likely a issue induced by Ghostery. For what its worth, I also fe…

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Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 5:46 PM UTC

[deleted] wrote: post #91

DanBlake wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you are responding to me primarily. This is the issue- Him having 'fuck you' money makes no difference to me. Plenty of rich people do things with a hidden agenda. Personally I feel like the reason he gave seems far fetched and much less likely then another causation point. So, with Occam's razor in mind I default to my viewpoint that this was likely a issue induced by Ghostery. For what its worth, I also fe…

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Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by angryasian » Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 5:47 PM UTC

DanBlake wrote: post #2

Although I have no direct knowledge, it feels like there is something going on behind the scenes forcing this reaction. If I had to guess, I would point the finger at Ghostery causing this. Lifehacker wrote¹ that Ghostery sells some data to marketers, so perhaps the approach taken with the app interferes with Ghostery's model and they were not willing to continue allowing access to their rule list. Alternatively Ghos…

I don't agree, there are plenty of other companies/sources out there that could have provided the list. I think the fact that Marco talks all this moralistic pov, while still endorsing ghostery is bs. Just shows he's for sale.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by colmvp » Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 5:47 PM UTC

superuser2 wrote: post #29

cstross wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively: I am seeing a lot of angry articles by journalists who see adblockers as an existential threat to them, and Marco also developed Instapaper. He's almost certainly already getting hate mail from content sites who don't like the way that Instapaper renders their content readable without allowing annoying intrusions. Releasing Peace on top of Instapaper set him up as a high-profile target -- even higher w…

I'd urge you to medidate on what the constant complaints about paywalls imply about the public's appetite for non-advertising revenue streams. Journalists have to eat.

One of the journalists I follow in Canada has a Patreon and doesn't inundate his work with ads or paywall. I voluntarily pay him more money per month than any news site because he actually produces work that matters to me (politics, journalism) and doesn't reduce the user experience.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 5:47 PM UTC

DanBlake wrote: post #75

cjensen wrote: post #20

Lots of people here trying to infer motives. Why not just believe what he says? He's a guy who has enough money, wants to do what he loves, and doesn't enjoy controversy. He's hacker enough to want to muck about with how to make a blocker, but it's not his joy. Basically, he's what many of us aspire to be.

I assume you are responding to me primarily. This is the issue- Him having 'fuck you' money makes no difference to me. Plenty of rich people do things with a hidden agenda. Personally I feel like the reason he gave seems far fetched and much less likely then another causation point. So, with Occam's razor in mind I default to my viewpoint that this was likely a issue induced by Ghostery. For what its worth, I also fe…

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Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by smacktoward » Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 5:48 PM UTC

msoad wrote: post #74

* I don't want ads * I don't want native advertising or sponsored content * I don't want to pay for content * I don't want my tax goes to government sponsored content * I want free independent content That's me nowadays... I don't even know what's the answer!

The answer is learning to live with the fact that you can't always get what you want.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by makeitsuckless » Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 5:48 PM UTC

I would have been a lot more understanding if he bothered to explain how protecting people's privacy against malicious exploitation hurts people that "don't deserve to be hit".

Without any reason other than vague hints, this sounds like someone got to him.

I'm not buying any of this. He suggest he feels bad about his product, but at no point explains why.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by vermontdevil » Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 5:49 PM UTC

Osmium wrote: post #69

> I’m sorry to all of my fans and customers who bought this on my name, expecting it to be supported for longer than two days. Well, that was me. Funnily enough I haven't had a good experience with Overcast either (vs. Pocket Casts), so I think next time Marco releases a product I'll be a lot more skeptical. It's an awkward position too: I know I should request a refund since the app will become progressively less us…

Agreed. I recommended his app to many friends because of Marco's stance on web ads, his passion for quality, etc.

Oops - my mistake. Pulling an app two days after a long period of development without really thinking through seemed odd to me. But that's his choice.

My choice - I won't buy anything from him again. Life goes on.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by jsonne » Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 5:49 PM UTC

mitchty wrote: post #39

Here is the whole thing about ad supported sites: We are worth a lot less than you think, and also overall an individuals monthly worth in advertisements is also small. https://air.mozilla.org/subscribe2web/ Turns out, we're worth about $6.20/mo in advertising. Lets just round this up to $10/month to not have ads but still support sites we visit. If content providers aren't working on an alternative like the above, I…

>I'm not against funding people, I'm against funding ad agencies and their tracking and their other maladies. Such as trojaned ad networks, silly amounts of javascript and data, etc....

This is an extremely simplistic view of the world. You can go on thinking that you're really only sticking it to coca-cola or walmart, but the truth of the matter is that 50% of digital ads (At least on facebook) are SMBs. They're startups, they're mom and pop diners. As for railing against ad agencies, most of us don't work for F500s. We support entrepreneurs, and we do it at very slim margins (often times less than 15%). So, whatever, I probably won't get you to change your mind, just know you aren't sticking it to the man. You're sticking it to the little guy.

Re: Just doesn’t feel good

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Post by tertius » Fri, Sep 18, 2015, 5:49 PM UTC

dannyr wrote: post #76

tertius wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's not harming them, they let me take it and it's not illegal then your comparison is a non-sequitur.

How is it not harming them? Sites make money thru advertising and you block those ads. Paywalls don't work for everybody.

The point being is that your comment is a non-sequitur. My comment, in the end, really doesn't even matter because your comment, to begin with, is not applicable.