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Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by bigiain »

001sky wrote: post #99
bigiain wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First - he never mentioned, joked, or claimed anything about explosives (but the cops carefully framed that as him "not being forthcoming"). The only people talking about explosives were the "adults". Second - when did it become "OK" to handcuff and question children without lawyers based on what b-grade movie makers choose to use as stereotypes? (Sorry you're getting downvoted so hard - I disagree but would rather d…

http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-wozniak-in-jail-fake-bo...

Sure - Woz built a metronome - then realised it looked a bit like part of a bomb, and intentionally modified it to look like bomb, then hid it in a locker and purposely rigged it up to tick faster in the expectation that it'd be found.

That's a _lot_ further down the path of "intent to create a bomb hoax" than "building a clock".

(And personally, I'm of the opinion that putting a schoolkid in jail for what Woz did was ignorantly overreacting... Quite possibly because I was that same kind of schoolkid who'd make that same silly decision. Hell look at my Flickr photo's comment - I thought it would be hilarious to do that at 43 years old, it's just experience and perspective that stopped me building exactly what Woz made...)

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by scintill76 »

patrickaljord wrote: post #33
bane wrote: post #14

I really really hope he wins a multi-million dollar lawsuit for wrongful arrest and turns it into a billion dollar company that makes precision timepieces.

Poor kid has been humiliated and called a genius inventor on same day, imagine the pressure he'll get to live up to this expectation as a future engineer/scientist.

I feel bad about the pressure he's already under -- everyone wants him to show off his clock and/or himself. Judging by this [http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/16/9341309/ahmed-mohamed-scho...] I guess he's up to it though.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by vfdfv »

DarkTree wrote: post #22
blizkreeg wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're wrong, I'm sorry to say. The other kids will be just fine. He will be the one who will remember this and it could affect his life in ways that we can't say yet.

I don't think the parent was commenting on how the other students would be more affected by this incident, but will affected simply by attending a school with horrible administration. He, on the other hand, has been invited to places like Facebook by Zuckerberg himself because of this incident. Not the worst outcome.

> invited to places like Facebook by Zuckerberg

Ah so now Ahmed will get to see the worst of the worst on a different end of the spectrum.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by 001sky »

bigiain wrote: post #101
001sky wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-wozniak-in-jail-fake-bo...

Sure - Woz built a metronome - then realised it looked a bit like part of a bomb, and intentionally modified it to look like bomb, then hid it in a locker and purposely rigged it up to tick faster in the expectation that it'd be found. That's a _lot_ further down the path of "intent to create a bomb hoax" than "building a clock". (And personally, I'm of the opinion that putting a schoolkid in jail for what Woz did wa…

point being that questioning a kid and releasing him are not that big a deall. perp walk is OTT. but stuff happens...look at woz...people do dumb shit like that...same thing as sarcasm in security theatre at the airport...justic is working OK when people get pulled aside...contrast to the way the police publicly execute black people for holding a toy or a telephone...those cases seem alot more egregious in many ways. I don't mind playing devil's advocate here...i think some discussion is warranted. no worries.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by Gigablah »

ausjke wrote: post #91

A ticking device that is not supposed to be brought to other classes(he was notified by his science teacher), and is closed up with some string so you can not see what's inside, and by a 14 year old Muslim student, and suddenly it starts to tick during a class. If I'm the teacher I will call the cops too. Yes I know I'm politically incorrect here, and will get down votes for this, but if I'm the teacher I will do the…

Looks like you missed the point entirely. Taking precautions about the device is understandable, if a bit silly -- and if they had left it at that, this would be nothing more than a "not The Onion" story to laugh at. What happened after (the arrest and suspension) is outrageous.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by krauthammer »

It's no different than a family of archers moving from Italy to France in the 1500s.

Eventually when they have the upper hand, they'll take territory, just like we've seen throughout human history and like what just happened in eastern Ukraine.

A kid from a family that smart should respect christians and whites enough to know to stay in a big city as an outsider.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by AjithAntony »

mikeash wrote: post #66
blakeja wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny you should put it like that. Now that actual pictures of the "digital clock" are available, that is first time I have seen a clock built into a metal suitcase that, golly gee, somewhat resembles a bomb. Ya'll are being absurd. That kid new what he was doing, I did stupid shit like that when I his age...worse in fact, these days I would have made national headlines if I had been caught. So I know what I am talki…

In what way does it resemble a bomb, exactly?

I was skeptical until i saw the picture. If there was no other context it looks pretty suspicious. If you left this thing unattended at bus stop you bet there would be a bomb squad on it.

But now that we are all familiar with pencil box clocks, one could easily mimic this design for a real bomb. A block of c4 would work nicely as the transformer core.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by informatimago »

bigiain wrote: post #64
001sky wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The design of the clock is absurd for a "random project". If the kid walks into an airport with that, its basically like yelling fire in a movie theatre. its not freedom of speech, even tho its speech. If this is a politicised stunt (which it appears to be), same issues at play. This whole insident basically looks like a johnny knonxville stunt form Jackass (the mtv show). If its true that his father is a former pres…

Seriously? You think it's the _clock design_ that's absurd, and not the school and cop's ignorant reactions? Should I be convicted of a "bomb hoax" for this? https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigiain/5162711688/ Note my description from five years ago shows somewhat more considered-but-not-carried-out intent than this kid... I think you are 100% wrong. People who assume anything vaguely electronic that they don't underst…

Well, just writing "BOMB" on a card board, and boarding a plane with it, would be enough to get you arrested in the USA; we've seen examples close enough.
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