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Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by 001sky »

patrickaljord wrote: post #25
blizkreeg wrote: post #10

I'm glad Ahmed got all the support and encouragement he did but not one person of note/power, including Obama and Hillary Clinton (who offered their cute tweets) have talked of punishing, penalizing, or in the very least reprimanding the officers and teachers who put him through this. How is that? It's criminal to handcuff and interrogate a 14-yr old in front of his entire class and school when they found nothing to…

Apparently there is such a law as anti-hoax bomb so it would be hard to prosecute officers. Another reason it's hard to prosecute bad cops is the same reason it's hard to fire bad teachers: powerful unions, which by the way Obama and Hillary support. These unions don't care about safety or education (in case of teachers unions), they only care about protecting officers and teachers jobs, no matter how bad or criminal…

The design of the clock is absurd for a "random project". If the kid walks into an airport with that, its basically like yelling fire in a movie theatre. its not freedom of speech, even tho its speech. If this is a politicised stunt (which it appears to be), same issues at play. This whole insident basically looks like a johnny knonxville stunt form Jackass (the mtv show). If its true that his father is a former presidential candidate from an african country (ie, apparenely delusions of grandeur -- hhttps://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9339063/ahmed-mohamed-elhassan) it further undermines this entire narrative of the media frenzy.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by jessaustin »

gress wrote: post #31
jcfrei wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm glad Ahmed got all the support and encouragement he did but not one person of note/power, including Obama and Hillary Clinton (who offered their cute tweets) have talked of punishing, penalizing, or in the very least reprimanding the officers and teachers who put him through this. How is that? Maybe because the world has bigger problems than one police officer and a teacher acting out of line. It's a story the i…

Are you suggesting an immediate pardon for any crime less serious than kidnapping or slander?

For agents of the state, certainly!

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by bigiain »

bentruyman wrote: post #18
rajbot wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They knew it was not a bomb. They were bullying him. If the school or police had actually thought it was dangerous they would have: 1. Evacuated the school 2. Called the bomb squad

Their justification is in the linked PDF: "Under Texas law, a person is guilty of possessing a hoax bomb if he possesses a device that is intended to cause anyone to be alarmed or a reaction of any type by law enforcement officers."

So I found a five year old photo of mine on Flickr - I'm glad I wasn't a muslim schoolkid in Texas when I wrote that second paragraph in the Flickr description:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigiain/5162711688/

(Also now waiting for the first reports of a muslim being convicted of a "bomb hoax" for carrying a pepper grinder, on the grounds that it "cause a sneeze reaction in a law enforcement officer"...)

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by MarkPNeyer »

tgflynn wrote: post #46
MarkPNeyer wrote: post #41

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https://i.imgur.com/Z1WbwdB.jpg it looks like maybe they suspected he wanted it to look like a bomb. it does kind of look like a bomb. of course the cops totally overrreacted. he's either a brilliant troll (the NASA shirt is perfect), or a nerdy kid with little social awareness. either way, bravo.

The defining property of a bomb is that it contains an explosive. I don't see anything in this picture that suggests the presence of an explosive.

i don't think the cops suspected it was a bomb.

i think the cops figured, he made it to look like a bomb and was trying to use it for a bomb threat.

i think they overracted and probably violated the law by questioning him without his lawyer present - they should go to jail.

it's understandable why they did what they did, but they should be punished.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by Retra »

bentruyman wrote: post #18
rajbot wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They knew it was not a bomb. They were bullying him. If the school or police had actually thought it was dangerous they would have: 1. Evacuated the school 2. Called the bomb squad

Their justification is in the linked PDF: "Under Texas law, a person is guilty of possessing a hoax bomb if he possesses a device that is intended to cause anyone to be alarmed or a reaction of any type by law enforcement officers."

It was not intended to even be seen by police, let alone alarm them or cause a reaction.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by Turing_Machine »

blakeja wrote: post #37
blizkreeg wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that measure, unless someone dies, nothing is important. Couldn't you conceive of a situation where he (let's say out of panic) acts weird and an officer shoots him dead on suspicion of a suitcase containing a bomb? Would that make it important enough?

Funny you should put it like that. Now that actual pictures of the "digital clock" are available, that is first time I have seen a clock built into a metal suitcase that, golly gee, somewhat resembles a bomb. Ya'll are being absurd. That kid new what he was doing, I did stupid shit like that when I his age...worse in fact, these days I would have made national headlines if I had been caught. So I know what I am talki…

"that is first time I have seen a clock built into a metal suitcase"

Pencil case, not a suitcase. When I was a kid, I used whatever case I could come up with for my projects. Cigar boxes, whatever.

I understand that Altoids tins are quite popular with the young tinkerers of today.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by duskwuff »

tomlock wrote: post #36

This is so stupid. This is as much a bomb as a disassembled alarm clock is. Everyone involved should be fired, from the school through the police department. Words cannot describe how terrible this situation is.

> This is as much a bomb as a disassembled alarm clock is.

In large part because that is precisely what it is!

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