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Rape town? Really?
Every time it seems like HN is making a little bit of progress you click on a link and find out they've upvoted something like 'Rape Town!' to the top of a thread.
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They do! Germany, the UK and the Scandinavian nations are the only European countries (that I was aware of circa within the week) to be actively accepting Syrian refugees - every other country in between them AND the Mediterranean have had negative responses to incoming refugees and I would expect deportation. If refugees were just coming in for safety's sake, there are plenty of other Islamic countries that would be…
All obligations people have to each other boil down to moral obligations. Barbarism and conquest age societies were much more rational than modernity, with little formalities or attachment of value to human life. So it comes with a territory of living in a civil society. Europe espouses a particular set of humanitarian values and has to act correspondingly. It is in European law (being UNCHR members for a start), tra…
Please don't mess with Syria anymore, and don't try to help with "your tax money". Syria was fine, at least compared to current situation, before West started meddling with the middle east and forcing democracy there.
ISIS started as a response of destroyed country (Iraq) without actual rule, that was brought in such state because of western occupation. Then, it was even armed and supported by the "west" as a "moderate islamistic democratic opposition" to Assad regime. The rest is history, and we didn't learn anything from it.
Just leave the middle east alone, as well as the rest of the world. Don't try to bring your values and way of life to them. Don't try to "help" them. Let them do it themselves on their own pace when they are ready for it. It's obvious right now they lived much better under any dictator that now, with all the "western" support.
On a personal note, I'm more likely to investigate anti-refugee arguments because I feel like they're underrated. I agree with the sentiment that we should understand that we're dealing with humans here, not numbers; but just like statistics has its weakness in that it can cause us to over-generalize, picking out the stories of individuals can allow a narrative to be crafted that is overfitted away from the whole. Bi…
I saw the data you linked, but I don't see the "poor". From what I see, they make up a range of demographics and educational levels. As to why they did not bring their families over in the first place? That is usually because they want to make sure they have somewhere to stay before bringing their families over. Bigger picture. The population of Europe as a whole is 740 million or so. Even if the entire population of…
You are ignoring hundred of years of migration data if you think they will spread uniformly across Europe or even within a single city, the likely outcome is that they will try to stick into their own area, building their own neighborhood, much like you have the Chinese, Arab and whatever quarter in all major cities.
Those individuals while skilled will have no connections, no competitive advantage against the local laborers except a sob story and the necessity to work by whatever means. Guess how it will play out?
They will also carry their own culture tradition and overall mindset. We had many cases of attempted integration gone wrong already over previous migrations, with people beating their own wife or imprisoning their daughters because that's the way they grew up and how they learned to cope with family issues. They are not running away from weird green aliens, eh.
I'm all for integration and acceptance, but with the right process - split them up, isolate them from each other, have them spread uniformly, whatever it can be done to avoid the creation of refugee camps. Then you might have a chance to avert a crisis. Leave them on their own and it will only allow them to bring here the same crises they have over there (just look Turkish/Kurdish escalation and how it affected Swiss ill-integrated communities for a recent example)
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Shouting 'rape town!' helps though, gotcha!
That is what you get when a normal, level-headed discussion on a subject is not allowed. Merely breaching the subject in public invites accusations of racism, xenophobia and discrimination. That is not helpful as it is clear that the problem does exist. That problem needs to be solved, not ignored or hidden under a false blanket of understanding. A crime is a crime, no matter whether the perpetrator is a native-born…
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That law basically states that muslim preachers in hospitals or who are teaching at schools or universities have to BE ABLE to speak german, so that the german-only speaking muslims, who exist as well, can understand them. The concept is called "official language of a country". Right-Wing parties in Turkey are criticizing the law. The muslim organisations inside Austria are supporting it. The law has nothing to do wi…
I don't have a strong opinion on the that law, but it's just not true that most muslim organisations in Austria support it. Their official representatives, the IGGÖ are rather critical[1], the muslim youth of Austria strongly opposed it[2]. Both links are in german, sorry. But you are, of course, right that this law has nothing to do with war refugees entering austria. [1]: http://www.derislam.at/?f=news&shownews=196…
By the way, most refugees are male at a very young age. If there are from Syria, why don't they stay and fight for their country? The article did not mention that most refugees have latest technology smart phones and they take selfies when they cross the borders? Is this what a refugee is like?
Most refugees are going to work for peanuts so the capitalists will get richer. Say goodbye to worker rights since someone who needs money to live and is given government dough will never think to unionize.
TO AMERICANS AND WHITE EUROPEANS: Stop supporting the terrorists!! Stop f#$king up this world! There would not be any refugees if the United States and its vassal states did not bomb the countries!!
I'm risking getting downvoted to oblivion here, but as an EU citizen I strongly believe that the core reason we have this crisis in the first place (as opposed to something controlled) is nonexistent border protection from southern countries like Italy, Greece. Never have I heard of them employing border patrols to veer off illegal boats. I am by no means denying the need for help for actual war victims, if I could s…
> I'm risking getting downvoted to oblivion here, but as an EU citizen I strongly believe that the core reason we have this crisis in the first place (as opposed to something controlled) is nonexistent border protection from southern countries like Italy, Greece. Never have I heard of them employing border patrols to veer off illegal boats. AFAIK this is actually the opposite of truth, assuming the migrant/refugee cr…
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All obligations people have to each other boil down to moral obligations. Barbarism and conquest age societies were much more rational than modernity, with little formalities or attachment of value to human life. So it comes with a territory of living in a civil society. Europe espouses a particular set of humanitarian values and has to act correspondingly. It is in European law (being UNCHR members for a start), tra…
> Now I personally would rather seen Assad dealt with in timely manner, years ago, instead of drawing stupid red lines in the water. This would have prevented the humanitarian disaster propelling the refugee crisis today, and would have hindered the raise of ISIS to boot. Since we can change the past though, I'm OK with helping people survive with my tax money. Please don't mess with Syria anymore, and don't try to h…
By helping with tax money I meant supporting the refugees, so. No.
> Syria was fine, at least compared to current situation, before West started meddling with the middle east and forcing democracy there.
It wasn't the West who massacred an unarmed protest with an airstrike back in the day.
> ISIS started as a response of destroyed country (Iraq) without actual rule, that was brought in such state because of western occupation.
Newsflash: the occupation of Iraq was opposed by most of the "West".
> Just leave the middle east alone, as well as the rest of the world.
Rwanda was left alone, oh look how wonderfully that worked.
No, my dear friend, there's no one recipe that fits the world, neither tree-hugging nor warmongering.
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All obligations people have to each other boil down to moral obligations. Barbarism and conquest age societies were much more rational than modernity, with little formalities or attachment of value to human life. So it comes with a territory of living in a civil society. Europe espouses a particular set of humanitarian values and has to act correspondingly. It is in European law (being UNCHR members for a start), tra…
> Now I personally would rather seen Assad dealt with in timely manner, years ago, instead of drawing stupid red lines in the water. This would have prevented the humanitarian disaster propelling the refugee crisis today, and would have hindered the raise of ISIS to boot. Since we can change the past though, I'm OK with helping people survive with my tax money. Please don't mess with Syria anymore, and don't try to h…
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Rape town? Really?
Every time it seems like HN is making a little bit of progress you click on a link and find out they've upvoted something like 'Rape Town!' to the top of a thread.
I hope HN doesn't get more progressive but stays as uniquely diverse as it is.