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Post by dzhiurgis »

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What professional applications require ios?

I had an insurance adjuster at my house to evaluate hail damage earlier this year and he did everything on an iPad. My doctor uses an iPad for Medscape (? not sure if that's right) and some other mobile point of care app. My mother in law is a real estate agent and her office uses iPads for everything. There's a ton of them and it's a very hot area right now. It's a great time to be an iOS developer.

Not even iOS - there are thousands hybrid apps being built on business platforms like Salesforce.

iOS development is becoming 'just another' language in your stack.

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Post by coldtea »

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> the once innovative company is now playing catch up Apple never did the VERY first products of a category. There was Xerox before Lisa, PDAs before Newton, mp3 players before the iPod, smartphones before the iPhone, tablets before the iPad, smartwatches before the Apple Watch, etc. The only did the first products of a category that were where at least half-thought out (instead of rushed crap), and people actually w…

Apple HiFi ? (giant wooly sounding box for iPod) Apple PowerCD? (odd vertical CD player) Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh? (oddly, the Cisco E20 appears to be identical in appearance)

And several of other flops (iPod socks anyone?).

But I didn't said they don't make flops.

Just that their "signature thing" is not coming up first with something, but coming with something that's somewhat thought out and people actually want to by. People remember them for these things: the iPod, iPhone, iPad, MacBook Air, iMac, etc (and IIRC Apple Watch too, did better than all competitor smartwatches combined).

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Post by realityking »

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Actually it's also limited by tons of factors: competition, fashion, etc. People have been announcing the "end" of the iPhone and iPhone killers ever since 2008 (that was BS of course, but it still can happen that some revision, e.g. 6s sells less than the previous). iPad for example has had that happening to it (later revision sold less well).

iPad is much more niche compared to iPhone. Not everyone wants/needs a consumer device to lounge around with for the price point. Everyone wants a phone. And to people like me, the iPad keyboard is simply unusable in landscape mode. Has this changed? No idea why they insist(ed) on stretching the keyboard across the entire screen instead of leaving half of the keyboard accessible to either side with thumbs. Even if th…

You can tear apart the keyboard in two halves you can use with either thumb. Admittedly a well hidden feature.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

coldtea wrote: post #600
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> It's marketing. And when it comes to marketing its far more true than that Lynx will get you laid (lol), or that some new detergent will revolutionaze how clean your clothes are, or that some GAP clothes will make you part of the "in" crowd. Yes. It's marketing - the magic context in which we suspend our disbelief and let people lie to our faces, and we then applaud and pay them.

Do we really "suspend our disbelief"? I don't think we're naive 50s tv viewers in this day and age. If anything gets us is not us believing the ad, but just getting pumped with the nice visuals and subtle suggestions (so more subsconscius manipulation than convincing us).

The question is, why do we allow it? If you took the behaviour that is standard-pracitce for marketers and journalists and tried that with a friend, you'd get punched in the face. Somehow we shielded a few areas of our lives (like advertising, journalism, politics) and decided that it's ok to be deceitful in those areas.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

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I don't see where the competition is coming from. Samsung? Google? Xiaomi? Outside of Microsoft (disclosure: MS employee), I don't see much competition for Apple in the innovative premium tablet space. They still execute well in the phone space, watch seems to be shaping up fine, they are still the only PC maker that is known for producing PCs that can last. The costs don't seem too off from the competition, unless w…

> Outside of Microsoft (disclosure: MS employee), I don't see much competition for Apple in the innovative premium tablet space. Care to break down Apple vs. Microsoft's revenues in tablets? I can't imagine it's within two orders of magnitude, at which point I'd hardly say that Microsoft counts as competition. But maybe I'm wrong about the numbers. (Granted, you said "pro tablets". I doubt we can get numbers on that,…

I'm really just an outside observer like everyone else :). But the Surface Pro 3 and even the Surface 3 (S3) aren't really competing with the iPad, they really have different use cases (I do work on my S3, but I'm typing this post in bed on my iPad Air!). So Apple definitely leads in the tablet market by far, but I think we could be more competitive in the prosumer tablet space that they are entering with the iPad pro. More to the point: Apple is basically validating this market, which can only be good for us as long as we can provide a decent alternative (which I think we do). What is clear is that android tablets are in a bit of trouble at all ends...they really need to do some rethinking.

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Post by Spooky23 »

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You're the wrong kind of user. I do end user architecture in a large enterprise, we ran into this with a lot of early adopters. People who are mobile (as in floating around an office or travel) whose job tasks are easily attributable to specific applications are very happy with iPads. Ideally, the number of applications they use every day on a traditional PC is less than 5. Examples: Sales, Executives, auditors, poli…

Have those users also used a surface pro or a chromebook? I'm wondering if they're just happy to have an extra tablet device or if they have a frame of reference.

Key parts of our stack(s) won't work with Chromebook, so didn't go that route.

I haven't seen anyone, including Microsoft badged people, using a Surface Pro as anything but a nice laptop.

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Post by Spooky23 »

bduerst wrote: post #695
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You're the wrong kind of user. I do end user architecture in a large enterprise, we ran into this with a lot of early adopters. People who are mobile (as in floating around an office or travel) whose job tasks are easily attributable to specific applications are very happy with iPads. Ideally, the number of applications they use every day on a traditional PC is less than 5. Examples: Sales, Executives, auditors, poli…

Have those users also used a surface pro or a chromebook? I'm wondering if they're just happy to have an extra tablet device or if they have a frame of reference.

Key parts of our stack(s) won't work with Chromebook, so didn't go that route.

I haven't seen anyone, including Microsoft badged people, using a Surface Pro as anything but a nice laptop.

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Post by mythz »

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> Don't iOS require some additional software to copy over files. When the easiest and simplest way is just drag and drop which is available for Android users. Are your saying most android devices act like USB cards? I decided to test one of mine and it didn't show up so I don't quite know what you mean by that. > If you go by sales wouldn't then Android figures indicate that their approach was better? And if you go b…

Yes most android devices act like that. I see my device as a drive in the system. Drag and Drop nothing is more simpler then that. Op had mentioned "Apple starts from the user experience" which users prefer hence they have great sales. I questioned since Android has far better sales. I don't know what profits have to do with user experience. If users preferred Apple approach should it not then have more sales?

Android has more sales in the same way free apps have more sales than paid Apps. Apple only targets the high end which is why they reap a majority of the profits whilst most Android manufacturers can't even sell enough devices to cover costs, despite using a free OS they never had to sink R&D into.

As for UX I didn't think it could ever be argued that Android was even comparable to iOS, you can look at the sat ranking for how well iOS is received, or even browser market share where the majority of mobile web is still from iOS - which is a good indicator on how much devices are being used for non-phone features, despite having fewer devices in the wild.

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Post by jaegerpicker »

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lol not going to happen. Did you see Microsoft on stage? MS can't really survive long term without iOS right now and they now it. Very soon iOS apps will match and/or exceed most desktop apps.

How many offices are using iPads as their workstations? >Very soon iOS apps will match and/or exceed most desktop apps. I expected that to be true, but we're coming up on 10 years of the Apple App Store and I'm still waiting.

A surprising number of them actually. Depends on the industry but the medical industry in particular makes heavy use of iOS. I'm not saying Microsoft is going to disappear tomorrow but I think it's pretty clear that iOS is trending upwards will windows growth has flatlined and is shrinking in certain markets.

Also I'd actually argue that a ton of iOS apps are better than the desktop equivalents. Touch screen is a new paradigm that is taking us a while to truly master IMO. Also the app store has only been out 7 years so it hasn't been 10. It launched July 2008.

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Post by bigtunacan »

bobbles wrote: post #503
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> For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying a Macbook Air. Apple has dozens of devices for dozens of use cases and types of buyers. I would never use the new MacBook (not good enough specs), and most of HN thinks it's a terrible idea. But my wife loves it. She doesn't need to run a virtual…

Yeah I can't wait for this guy to go buy his macbook air and start doing all his fancy graphic design on its non-touch non-retina screen. Obviously the same use cases for both products!

I do all of my graphic design work on Macbook Pro. For certain tasks the mouse is well suited, for others a Wacom tablet or Wacom screen works wonders.

The tablet form factor (with a larger screen) does offer a compelling use case for drawing and other art, but in general the tools available are inferior to software available for Mac OSX and Windows. This is where the Surface makes a lot of sense since I can draw/design on the go while having access to best in class software.

I'm not a Windows user, but it is for this very reason that I keep thinking of buying a Surface; it's gotten some great reviews from other artists/designers.

I also find it discouraging that Apple has introduced their "revolutionary" new Pencil at a $100 price point, but I can't find specs anywhere, and I know I can buy the Wacom Creative Stylus 2 for less money and it has 2048 pressure level sensitivity. Without published specifications it leaves me wondering if the Apple Pencil is less product for more money.

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