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Re: I'm Begging for Work

#101

Post by selestify »

Bonogongo wrote: post #79
vruiz wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> get a great looking but professional profile pic up there, get kudos from friends Really? as a CEO those are signals for you? the profile picture is debatable but the endorsements are just a joke and everyone knows it, people just exchange them like they do with twitter follows. If anything, too many of them would be a negative signal for me. Completely agree with the rest of your comment though.

Hiring is a filtering game. With 100 candidates, first thing you do is filter out 80, I wish more candidates would understand this.

Just out of curiosity, where do you work as a hiring manager that you get so many candidates to filter out? At the company I work at it's been somewhat difficult to find suitable candidates to even interview with us -- the few that do come in for interviews are usually so-so (and we do pay quite above average). Also, anecdotally, during my own job search I was the one filtering out companies to apply to (nearly all the ones I applied to accepted me in the end), so at least that's consistent with the developer shortage my company is currently facing.

I am very curious how the balance of power can be tipped so drastically in the other direction in some places.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

#102

Post by marincounty »

mmaunder wrote: post #25

Time to get your game face on. I'm a CEO, we're hiring but not in your skill area. Having interviewed a lot of candidates lately and looked at many more, I wanted to give you my 2c on getting into extremely hirable shape fast: Update your LinkedIn profile as someone has mentioned already. Sweeten it up, get a great looking but professional profile pic up there, get kudos from friends, etc. Do the online profile clean…

You're a CEO, and would hire the Real-Estate King, if he could code?

I have a few websites. They don't produce much income, but some guys offer their services for hire; thinking I might hire them if they say the right things? I tell them up front, I can't afford to hire them, but some are very persistent.

They send me their resumes, even after telling them I'm a struggling website owner, and I don't make a living doing this work. From my perspective, it's so easy to spot the Real Estate Kings? This one guy wanted me to join his companies, exclusive website forum. He was going to put in a good word, so the the other Winners would let me in. Well, I went to the forum, and it was just this guy and me. Every article was written by him. Every comment on the site was written by this guy. I couldn't belive the verbage this guy was throwing around. His favorite phrase was "Are you interested in monetizing? Followed by "You need to scale!" It's was almost like he memorized that movie about Facebook? And yes, he had a professional, cheesy profile pic. with a tie, and head cocked. Call me old school, but I wouldn't put his picture into Google Image search, but that same cheesy picture came up at least a couple dozen times just in just Images. He used the same portrait pic. in every website--ever created? My point is I had this guy figured out pretty quick. I think, if he didn't try so hard to sound professional, I would have loved to kick around a few ideas I have? And yes, if we meshed, I have a small bank roll I would be willing to risk.

I thought hiring in tech was about abilities? I don't care what a person looks like? It's so easy to spot "The Real Estate Kings" of Coders; I couldn't imagine trying to hide who you are? Yea, scrub the web, if you can, of anything controversial, but be honest? Honesty used to go along way? Do you really need that Starbucks fueled, go, go, save world with my app, never sleep, positive vib in order to get noticed for employment?

Maybe it's just me, but I'll take the well rounded individual, with some finished projects over a Cheerleader?

Re: I'm Begging for Work

#103

Post by tdsamardzhiev »

eru wrote: post #55
roflchoppa wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dont spill all the beans to your wife, she's gonna bring it up in a fight later one. ask me how i know.

If that's the only thing you optimize for, you gonna have an even harder time if she catches you lying..

And she will, sooner or later.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

#104

Post by alashley »

cplease wrote: post #48

Dude, you got shit on, but your entire post screams unprofessional. If you want to be a professional, and be treated like a professional, you need to act professional. Harsh perhaps but that's the truth. If this is a serious job solicitation and not just catharsis you are doing it all wrong. Starting with how desperate you are, how proud you made your mom, and how shitty you've been doing and been treated does not ma…

I'm sure a large part of his emotionally charged reaction has to do with the fact that he has a family.

Sounds like he gave the job his all, but given his situation in life, I don't know how else he could have reacted to this. Added to that he doesn't really have the support of his wife since she doesn't yet know.

My point is that a lot of factors are at play, so labelling him as unprofessional is a bit unfair to him at the moment. He's in panic mode.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

#105

Post by Joeboy »

Bonogongo wrote: post #69

As a manager if someone tries to blackmail me with leaving, I usually say "Then leave". Never let people blackmail you. Would I hire someone who swears and uses f* in a conversation with his boss? No. Would I hire someone who creates a blog to make his boss look bad? No. All of this with 4 kids I surely would not trust on you any responsibibility acting so irresponsible. So everyone here who wants to hire this guy, a…

> Would I hire someone who swears and uses f* in a conversation with his boss? No.

Where are you based, out of interest? I don't think I've ever worked anywhere where saying fuck in front of your boss would be any kind of problem whatsoever (in the UK).

Re: I'm Begging for Work

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Post by ericdykstra »

Bonogongo wrote: post #79
vruiz wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> get a great looking but professional profile pic up there, get kudos from friends Really? as a CEO those are signals for you? the profile picture is debatable but the endorsements are just a joke and everyone knows it, people just exchange them like they do with twitter follows. If anything, too many of them would be a negative signal for me. Completely agree with the rest of your comment though.

Hiring is a filtering game. With 100 candidates, first thing you do is filter out 80, I wish more candidates would understand this.

Using something like "professional-looking LinkedIn picture" as a filter is just throwing out candidates for the sake of getting the number lower. Any company that would be this lazy as to potentially throw away their best candidates in the first round of filtering on criteria that has such little actual signalling is not one that I would want to work for anyway.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

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Post by onedev »

Bonogongo wrote: post #69

As a manager if someone tries to blackmail me with leaving, I usually say "Then leave". Never let people blackmail you. Would I hire someone who swears and uses f* in a conversation with his boss? No. Would I hire someone who creates a blog to make his boss look bad? No. All of this with 4 kids I surely would not trust on you any responsibibility acting so irresponsible. So everyone here who wants to hire this guy, a…

You seem really bitter for no reason.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

#108

Post by igravious »

enneff wrote: post #58
igravious wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't listen to this advice. Be honest. Don't ask me how I know.

Be honest. I'm happy to answer questions as to why I believe this is good advice.

Oh I see. Sorry. I didn't mean it to come across like that. Just had a recent personal situation I'd rather not go into on a public forum that would have turned out a whole lot better if me and the truth were more in alignment, sad to say : / Anyway, one lie begets another. Just tell the truth, less cognitive overload, less trust issues. Easier said than done I know; we all want to save face, we all have our shame to hide.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

#109

Post by onedev »

dkarapetyan wrote: post #93
nurettin wrote: post #44

I can't even imagine having a 40+K$ salary in my country (Turkey) that's like 3x what I make.

SF devs make 150k+. It doesn't mean anything because at the end of the day after taxes and rent they probably take home less than you.

but they get to live in a better city than you.

Re: I'm Begging for Work

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Post by KJasper »

AdieuToLogic wrote: post #53
tsurantino wrote: post #21

Doesn't this person deserve some form of severance or the equivalent of? It's kind of ridiculous that he was "cut out" from a job like some kind of child who was no longer part of the "club". It's grossly unprofessional to disconnect an employee without any due process or policy. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the events leading up to the situation.

> It's grossly unprofessional to disconnect an employee without any due process or policy. In the US, it depends on what state the company is headquartered. Many are "right to work" states, which means any employee can be fired so long as it is not for reasons such as age, sex, weight, religious beliefs, or sexual orientation. In those states, an employee literally can be fired for a reason such as "you upset the own…

Just because you can doesn't make it more professional imo.
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