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Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by therein »

ctdonath wrote: post #309
roymurdock wrote: post #176

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It's like the $80 magsafe charger. Thing probably costs $3 to manufacture and distribute, but good luck using your macbook without one. Simple price gouging, but most customers are happy to pay.

Someone did a detailed comparison between the $19 Apple 500mW cube charger vs a no-name $4 lookalike. Short version: the former is an engineering marvel of efficiency, compactness, and safety ... while the latter is likely to kill someone. You may not appreciate the "diminishing returns" of increased quality for increased price, but Apple's bottom line shows a great many do.

Oh come on, that's such a sweeping generalization. Just because someone compared Apple's cube charger with one of thousands of knockoffs and found that the Apple charger actually adhered with the safety regulations does not mean that Apple's accessories are appropriately priced due to their quality. It doesn't even mean the charger deserves the $19 price tag. How about the iPhone 6 docks, are they also a marvel of engineering? Are their prices justified?

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Post by MBCook »

bigtunacan wrote: post #135

The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV. I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying…

> For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air.

Unless of course you want a 12" screen with a digitizer, then that Air is useless to you without some very expensive 3rd party hardware.

> If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying a Surface [...]

The iPad pro is a tablet.

> [...] since at least it runs a real operating system designed for "pro" use not the closed eco system that is iOS.

Yeah, there's the rub. The only thing is many people don't care. Do you know why businesses bought Macs in the early 90s? To run Photoshop or Quark Xpress or Pagemaker. The workers didn't need computers, they needed things that ran Photoshop.

What happened when Photoshop couldn't keep up on the Mac since Intel was racing ahead? Many companies bought PCs to run Photoshop.

Tons and tons of people don't care about the OS. In fact the simplicity of iOS may be a boon to them. They're probably using Adobe Creative Cloud anyway.

Tablet? Light? Runs software they care about? Works well? They'll buy it.

> My current generation Apple TV is unplugged and gathering dust while I use the Smart TV, PS4, Xbox 360 (In that order) for my on demand streaming.

That's because the current Apple TV sucks. It was fine once, but it's basically been unchanged for about 5 years. They're fixing that.

I don't know about you, but the "Smart TV" stuff built into my TV is terribly slow. And I don't want to boot a full console to stream a little video. Many people don't even own game consoles.

> Why Apple didn't put iTunes on Smart TVs

See previous paragraph about smart TVs sucking. Apple has learned it's lesson (see Motorola ROKR).

> Almost forgot to mention; this thing doesn't even support UHD?

And I'm sure the 1% of the population with 4k TVs and fast enough internet connections is really sad about that.

Of course iTunes doesn't even have 4k content, but surely their box should play it right? After all it will never be updated again.

They did the same thing with 1080p support. It will come when there is more demand.

> Tim Cook needs a wake up call.

That's pretty hyperbolic, don't you think?

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Post by tlholaday »

photosinensis wrote: post #353
X-Istence wrote: post #291

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And the only Pro users are going to be developers/programmers, right? How about my doctor while he visits patients, or my dentist to show me my X-rays easily, or the automative tech that plugs in an OBDII module and instantly sees information on the large screen... Those people are professionals, and that is what this is geared towards, not just developers.

It'd be nice if they remembered us. We seem to be the only creative types not being targeted here. And yes, I'd actually consider it for a few purposes.. No, don't ship the SDK by default. Make it so that it only runs locally-compiled binaries. That's okay. But I'd like the ability to use this for real work that I do. Everybody else gets to work on it, after all.

> the ability to use this for [programming]

Install Parallels Access on your iPad Pro and your desktop compile engine (iMac? Mac Pro? Mac Mini? MacBook?).

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

mythz wrote: post #402
RexRollman wrote: post #349

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I think the one important thing that Microsoft's approach has over Apple's is file management. File management is horrible on iOS.

File Systems is also a complexity that confuses a lot of non-technical people, which is why Apple tries to hide that one even exists on iOS - Where can I find the latest document I was working on? Just open the app you created it with, as a bonus you'll get transparent syncing across all your devices. Syncing and Backup are tedial tasks most people wouldn't do if they needed to do it manually or configure an external…

It's one thing to have a persistent object store instead of a file system (as the Newton did). It's wholly another to have a file system at the core of your OS but just pretend it doesn't exist. That's a regressive obfuscation, not encapsulation.

(Yes, I understand who the target audience is.)

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Post by bduerst »

kailuowang wrote: post #377
austenallred wrote: post #278

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I really don't give a shit who is copying who. It's technology; we're all building on the backs of inventions created by other people. The important thing to me is who does it the best, not who does it first. The iPod was nowhere near the first mp3 player, it was just the best one. The iPad wasn't close to the first tablet. Will it be the best tablet? I don't know, but whether or not the Surface had a keyboard first…

It's not the copying that worries people, it's the lack of not-coping, i.e. innovations. iPod is not the first mp3 player, iPhone is not the first smart phone, but they were packed with innovative ideas that stood them out. We see less and less such ideas from Apple. Their execution/quality control is still top notch though, but other companies are catching up.

I dunno - Apple kind of killed NFC adoption by waiting so long to finally include it. They should have had it back in 2012.

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Post by pilsetnieks »

elektromekatron wrote: post #131
austenallred wrote: post #95

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In context Jobs was talking about a stylus as the only/primary input for the device, meaning you would be required to have a stylus to ever use the device. Of course that would be terrible. This stylus is an optional accessory with a very specific use case. A fundamentally different thing.

Not sure you are completely correct there, as he said it repeatedly in many contexts. "It's like we said on the iPad, if you see a stylus, they blew it." - Steve Jobs edited to add - "as soon as you have a stylus, you're dead. " - Steve Jobs

But it doesn't have a stylus. You can get one if you want (for the low, low price of $99) but you don't need it.

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Post by billconan »

bigtunacan wrote: post #135

The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV. I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying…

I draw, I like the ipad pro and will get one.

I own surface 3 pro also for the same reason. But I don't like it and it can be bigger.

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Post by redxdev »

Gracana wrote: post #244
ChrisClark wrote: post #162

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And everyone else uses batteries because of Wacom patents. At least that was the case 5 years ago.

Oh, is that why? I thought current multi-touch technology interfered with the Wacom-style force sensor, but I could have imagined that.

Nope. Surface Pro 1 (and 2?) used Wacom tech, had 10-point multitouch, and the stylus didn't need batteries or recharging. The induction stuff that Wacom does is pretty cool.

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Post by [deleted] »

tsunamifury wrote: post #198
rev_bird wrote: post #134

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I just can't figure out why Jobs, and apparently lots of other people, are against adding an extra, more accurate method of interacting with a touchscreen, without removing any of its current capabilities . I'm not taking handwritten notes with my finger, get real. A stylus totally changes the range of interactions I can have with a device.

Jobs didn't like Modes -- something you see quite a bit in todays presentation. He felt that Modes obscure the immediate discoverability of functions and they keep you from pushing your design to ensure you can use something without left clicking or pulling out a pen. It should just work.

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