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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by elektromekatron »

austenallred wrote: post #95
gorena wrote: post #11

"Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose 'em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus." -Steve Jobs

In context Jobs was talking about a stylus as the only/primary input for the device, meaning you would be required to have a stylus to ever use the device. Of course that would be terrible. This stylus is an optional accessory with a very specific use case. A fundamentally different thing.

Not sure you are completely correct there, as he said it repeatedly in many contexts.

"It's like we said on the iPad, if you see a stylus, they blew it." - Steve Jobs

edited to add -

"as soon as you have a stylus, you're dead." - Steve Jobs

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by ssharp »

braythwayt wrote: post #92
gorena wrote: post #11

"Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose 'em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus." -Steve Jobs

> It’s right out of the Steve Jobs handbook: something you don’t offer is a > terrible idea, until you offer it yourself, at which point you explain why your > solution is the first to get it right. --Jon Gruber, Daring Fireball

Would that might it wrong, though?

There have been 3rd party pens and they were terrible and unnecessary. The multiple inputs, sensors, etc. will probably make this Apple stylus pretty useful. In this case, maybe Apple is the first to get it right.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by gdubs »

Xcelerate wrote: post #42

I don't understand the allure of a "pro" iPad. Wouldn't you just want a laptop then? The keyboard is (at least for me) the fastest accurate text input device ever invented. It's the main reason I type everything instead of write it by hand.

Artists and musicians will probably feel differently.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by rev_bird »

carlosrg wrote: post #71
gorena wrote: post #11

"Who wants a stylus? You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose 'em. Yuck! Nobody wants a stylus. So let's not use a stylus." -Steve Jobs

"if you see a stylus, they blew it." - Steve Jobs, after the 2010 iPad introduction.

I just can't figure out why Jobs, and apparently lots of other people, are against adding an extra, more accurate method of interacting with a touchscreen, without removing any of its current capabilities. I'm not taking handwritten notes with my finger, get real. A stylus totally changes the range of interactions I can have with a device.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by bigtunacan »

The announcements today just make me hang my head in chagrin. I love Apple products. Both my wife and I only use Macbooks, we have multiple iPads, iPods, and a second generation Apple TV.

I look at this iPad Pro though and I see a totally useless device. For a device at that size, weight, and cost you would be better served buying an Macbook Air. If you want a tablet form factor then you would be better served buying a Surface, since at least it runs a real operating system designed for "pro" use not the closed eco system that is iOS. I "upgraded" from an iPad to a iPad mini, because I didn't want to carry around such a large device that is just a glorified eReader that I can waste time on with games. Then I "upgraded" again to a Kindle Paperwhite since it's lighter still, the battery lasts forever, I can read it in bright sunlight, and I don't get distracted and waste my time on pointless things like Doodle Jump. Everything else can run on my phone anyway which now comes in tablet sizes if that is what you want.

Then the Apple TV. My current generation Apple TV is unplugged and gathering dust while I use the Smart TV, PS4, Xbox 360 (In that order) for my on demand streaming. More and more Apple TV becomes unnecessary as what it does it build into televisions. Why Apple didn't put iTunes on Smart TVs, Roku, game systems, etc... so I could rent/purchase my videos there is beyond me; but now I (along with many others) have moved on to competitors. Almost forgot to mention; this thing doesn't even support UHD?

Tim Cook needs a wake up call.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by x0x0 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #99
Xcelerate wrote: post #42

I don't understand the allure of a "pro" iPad. Wouldn't you just want a laptop then? The keyboard is (at least for me) the fastest accurate text input device ever invented. It's the main reason I type everything instead of write it by hand.

> I don't understand the allure of a "pro" iPad. Wouldn't you just want a laptop then? A 12" class tablet with a keyboard case is, I find (I use a Galaxy Note Pro 12.2), a very good reading platform (better than a laptop, since you can use it like a tablet without the keyboard getting in the way) as well as a decent laptop substitute for lots of uses. Its not as good as a laptop for all uses -- and I still do use a l…

I love my ipad for reading books and papers. But I find it too small to take notes with a stylus. Obviously there's a tight tradeoff between what's comfortable to hold on the couch/train/bed and is portable enough yet big enough, but I think I'd like to try the large ipad. It could be big enough to make note taking pleasant.

Also, I think apple has a problem in that they've essentially exhausted mass market products, ie products everyone wants. Does this ipad fill a hole in their lineup? I think so. But people get disappointed if apple doesn't sell a million of each widget a quarter. Even look at the ipad business as a whole; I think most companies not apple would be very happy to have such a lucrative product. It's just when you compare it to iphones, the most successful consumer product of the last 20 years, that it is lacking.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by DiThi »

gress wrote: post #48
Amezarak wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If by "Microsoft apps" you mean any program compiled for Windows in addition to any of those that can run on an OS supported by VirtualBox. So the iPad can run iOS apps while the Surface can run virtually anything except iOS apps. They're not really comparable platforms.

Are you seriously suggesting that anything more than a tiny fraction of Windows apps are any good on a touch device?

An increasingly number of desktop windows apps I use have touch controls. Most of the time being able to scroll and zoom with touch is all an app needs to be usable.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by austenallred »

hexasquid wrote: post #125
austenallred wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In context Jobs was talking about a stylus as the only/primary input for the device, meaning you would be required to have a stylus to ever use the device. Of course that would be terrible. This stylus is an optional accessory with a very specific use case. A fundamentally different thing.

In context Jobs was talking about getting them, putting them away and losing them.

"How are we going to communicate with this? We don't want to carry around a mouse, so what are we going to do?

Oh, a stylus, right? We're going to use a stylus? No.

Who wants a stylus? You have to get them, put them away, you lose them, yuck. So let's not use a stylus.

We're going to use the best pointing device in the world; a pointing device that we're all born with - we're born with ten of them. We're going to use our fingers. We're going to touch it with our fingers. And we have invented a new technology called multi-touch..."

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by tdkl »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #108
slg wrote: post #24

It is interesting comparing Microsoft and Apple's convertible tablet strategy. Microsoft's devices use the full OS and are basically laptops first and tablets second while Apple is doing the opposite. If this is truly designed to be "Pro" as in enterprise , I think Microsoft's strategy is going to lead to more productive and therefore better enterprise devices. EDIT: And after the price is revealed the scales tip a l…

This a million times. Apple is just slowly re-inventing the Desktop OS (hey look multi-tasking, a keyboard, etc) while MS went full into a hybrid OS over all its lines that can adapt to whatever hardware its installed on. For all the grief MS got for Windows 8, the move it made was ultimately the right one and builds the proper foundation they need for the future. As side note, lets recall about three or four years a…

Yeah, the whole hybrid thing went really well with Windows and Surface series was a success.

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

ssharp wrote: post #132
braythwayt wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s right out of the Steve Jobs handbook: something you don’t offer is a > terrible idea, until you offer it yourself, at which point you explain why your > solution is the first to get it right. --Jon Gruber, Daring Fireball

Would that might it wrong, though? There have been 3rd party pens and they were terrible and unnecessary. The multiple inputs, sensors, etc. will probably make this Apple stylus pretty useful. In this case, maybe Apple is the first to get it right.

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