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U.S. judge approves $415M settlement in tech worker lawsuit

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Re: U.S. judge approves $415M settlement in tech worker lawsuit

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25% is a rather "normal" attorney fee award. You can argue they shouldn't get that much but remember that they have to eat the cost of prosecuting the case for a long time before seeing a dime. EDIT: I don't get the harsh downvoting. I'm unfamiliar with the particulars of the case but remember that not all class-actions end favourably for the lawyers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Civil_Action

How much of a financial hit do they really take? Apart from their salaries and associated office costs (covered by past cases presumably) what other costs do they have? Their only excuse is that most businesses do the same thing. Payment processors, freelance agencies, telecoms providers etc, all taking extortionate cuts in relation to the costs incurred providing a service, which comes from our paychecks.

Not all class-actions result in a settlement or a verdict and even then not all of them are rainmakers. Saw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Civil_Action several years ago and it stuck with me.

Re: U.S. judge approves $415M settlement in tech worker lawsuit

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This cartel had 4 members. With all the Silicon Valley tech companies, it's a little hard to see how this would be successful at holding down compensation.

In any case, cartels have a historical reputation of being unworkable without laws being passed to force conformance. The problem for the cartel members is they have large incentives to cheat on the agreement.

Probably the most famous cartel is OPEC. "Jeff Colgan argued in 2013 that, since 1982, countries cheated on their quotas 96% of the time, largely neutralizing the ability of OPEC to collectively influence prices."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC

Re: U.S. judge approves $415M settlement in tech worker lawsuit

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This cartel had 4 members. With all the Silicon Valley tech companies, it's a little hard to see how this would be successful at holding down compensation. In any case, cartels have a historical reputation of being unworkable without laws being passed to force conformance. The problem for the cartel members is they have large incentives to cheat on the agreement. Probably the most famous cartel is OPEC. "Jeff Colgan…

Cartels are dynamically unstable. That doesn't mean they can't cause a net social loss during the period in which they are effective.

Re: U.S. judge approves $415M settlement in tech worker lawsuit

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I commented on this a year ago or so: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8154909 My opinion on this is unchanged and I'm still disturbed by the greed behind this lawsuit.

>I'm still disturbed by the greed behind this lawsuit.

I'm disturbed that people are taking the billionaires' side in a wage fixing cartel on the principle that breaking the cartel is "greed".

Re: U.S. judge approves $415M settlement in tech worker lawsuit

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Jobs was a scumbag through and through... just one more check mark on stupid shit rich business people and their respective corporations can get away with in America most of the time. Even now it's a small sum for these companies, a few thousand dollars a person, much less than the actual pay lost due to corruption. A few billion each would've actually sent a message and actually set the victims whole. Funny how the…

Jobs was far from perfect. However, his contributions _far_ outweigh all his transgressions. The iPhone has (and will) ushered in an era of unimaginable prosperity for, in the coming years, literally the entire planet. Whether or not his work could have been achieved without his faults is an open question. One which the counter factual isn't possible. The key thing to remember is that there are no solutions, only tra…

This has to be a troll ...

Re: U.S. judge approves $415M settlement in tech worker lawsuit

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post #23

This cartel had 4 members. With all the Silicon Valley tech companies, it's a little hard to see how this would be successful at holding down compensation. In any case, cartels have a historical reputation of being unworkable without laws being passed to force conformance. The problem for the cartel members is they have large incentives to cheat on the agreement. Probably the most famous cartel is OPEC. "Jeff Colgan…

Cartels are dynamically unstable. That doesn't mean they can't cause a net social loss during the period in which they are effective.

I looked at some of the articles on this particular cartel. I didn't see evidence presented that employees of the cartel were compensated less than employees at other tech companies.

While there is no doubt there was an illegal cartel, I'm skeptical that it was an effective cartel.

Re: U.S. judge approves $415M settlement in tech worker lawsuit

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post #14

I commented on this a year ago or so: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8154909 My opinion on this is unchanged and I'm still disturbed by the greed behind this lawsuit.

I am more disturbed at the greed behind the original injustice. The tech companies should be punished, the greed of the plaintiffs is completely irrelevant.

Why is it greed if a walmart worker was being stiffed of a dollar an hour its just as bad as a sales guy losing 20% of a five figure bonus.

Re: U.S. judge approves $415M settlement in tech worker lawsuit

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cartels are dynamically unstable. That doesn't mean they can't cause a net social loss during the period in which they are effective.

I looked at some of the articles on this particular cartel. I didn't see evidence presented that employees of the cartel were compensated less than employees at other tech companies. While there is no doubt there was an illegal cartel, I'm skeptical that it was an effective cartel.

It acted to suppress wages across the industry by reducing wage rises on moves.

Effectively its negativly skewing the salery distribution for every one - this is basic Stats 101.

Re: U.S. judge approves $415M settlement in tech worker lawsuit

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I looked at some of the articles on this particular cartel. I didn't see evidence presented that employees of the cartel were compensated less than employees at other tech companies. While there is no doubt there was an illegal cartel, I'm skeptical that it was an effective cartel.

It acted to suppress wages across the industry by reducing wage rises on moves. Effectively its negativly skewing the salery distribution for every one - this is basic Stats 101.

Okay, but was compensation at cartel members actually lower than at other tech companies? And if they were, wouldn't that make cartel members vulnerable to poaching from non-members?

I just don't see how a cartel of 4 companies could possibly be effective across the tech industry.

Re: U.S. judge approves $415M settlement in tech worker lawsuit

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

25% is a rather "normal" attorney fee award. You can argue they shouldn't get that much but remember that they have to eat the cost of prosecuting the case for a long time before seeing a dime. EDIT: I don't get the harsh downvoting. I'm unfamiliar with the particulars of the case but remember that not all class-actions end favourably for the lawyers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Civil_Action

How much of a financial hit do they really take? Apart from their salaries and associated office costs (covered by past cases presumably) what other costs do they have? Their only excuse is that most businesses do the same thing. Payment processors, freelance agencies, telecoms providers etc, all taking extortionate cuts in relation to the costs incurred providing a service, which comes from our paychecks.

"How much of a financial hit do they really take? Apart from their salaries and associated office costs (covered by past cases presumably) what other costs do they have?"

Well then, why don't you come work for me for a few years, and if the software you develop works well enough and I make a lot of money on it, I'll give you 25%. Deal? (PS you'll have to front your own computer, admin staff etc. too)

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