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How the Ballpoint Pen Killed Cursive

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Re: How the Ballpoint Pen Killed Cursive

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This is rubbish. Ballpoint pens had long been in existence before I went to school, and I learned cursive. My daughter's French classmates are all, today, taught superb cursive handwriting.

Okay. So was I, but primarily I don't see people using it for everyday writing. Why do you suppose that is the case? Most people know how to use cursive, but they choose not to do so.

Most people tend not to write enough to make it a worthwhile skill to maintain.

Re: How the Ballpoint Pen Killed Cursive

#52
post #2

This is rubbish. Ballpoint pens had long been in existence before I went to school, and I learned cursive. My daughter's French classmates are all, today, taught superb cursive handwriting.

Okay. So was I, but primarily I don't see people using it for everyday writing. Why do you suppose that is the case? Most people know how to use cursive, but they choose not to do so.

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Re: How the Ballpoint Pen Killed Cursive

#53

I say good riddance. Leave it to people who make a job out of it. We should admit it and move on, removing stuck bits of handwriting from where it doesn't belong anymore. I personally never liked writing on paper, it was ugly and time-consuming; I would never be able to express myself on paper: I'll compress the meaning away or just quit halfway through.

I have yet to find diagramming software that lets me express myself faster than a couple of quick doodles on a piece of paper.

I find myself loathing to explain something with a "simple" chart that can take 5 minutes to draw by hand but far more on a computer.

Re: How the Ballpoint Pen Killed Cursive

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post #37
post #30

I've almost exclusively used fountain pens for about 5 years now, and it's been amazing. Modern fountain pens don't generally leak much, and they are SO much better to write with than a basic Bic/generic ballpoint. The primary difference is that you don't have to push down at all which saves your hand from a huge amount of stress after a long writing session. I really don't understand why more people don't use them t…

Just a heads-up, Japanese import stores sell these for about 4 bucks: http://www.gouletpens.com/Platinum-Preppy-Fountain-Pen/c/280 It's a great fountain pen for four bucks, I use them exclusively now (and don't worry too much about losing them, because four bucks!!).

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Re: How the Ballpoint Pen Killed Cursive

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post #37
post #30

I've almost exclusively used fountain pens for about 5 years now, and it's been amazing. Modern fountain pens don't generally leak much, and they are SO much better to write with than a basic Bic/generic ballpoint. The primary difference is that you don't have to push down at all which saves your hand from a huge amount of stress after a long writing session. I really don't understand why more people don't use them t…

Just a heads-up, Japanese import stores sell these for about 4 bucks: http://www.gouletpens.com/Platinum-Preppy-Fountain-Pen/c/280 It's a great fountain pen for four bucks, I use them exclusively now (and don't worry too much about losing them, because four bucks!!).

The Pilot Kakuno is about the same price.

Re: How the Ballpoint Pen Killed Cursive

#56
post #36
post #30

I've almost exclusively used fountain pens for about 5 years now, and it's been amazing. Modern fountain pens don't generally leak much, and they are SO much better to write with than a basic Bic/generic ballpoint. The primary difference is that you don't have to push down at all which saves your hand from a huge amount of stress after a long writing session. I really don't understand why more people don't use them t…

I tend to prefer roller ball pens but I'm pretty much a lost cause when it comes to writing at this point anyway. Handwriting was never one of my better subjects in grade school under the best of circumstances but looking through old notebooks as they progress over the years apparently reveals a general descent into total loss of right hand muscular control. :-)

I bought a copy of Write Now! and it improved my handwriting considerably. After going through it (it's essentially a workbook) I was kind of pissed at the absurdity that was the cursive that I learned in grade school.

Re: How the Ballpoint Pen Killed Cursive

#57
post #32

Is there even a point to learning cursive anymore? Seems like a waste of time if they're still teaching it to kids. I can't think of any practical purpose for it. Knowing cursive is about as useful as knowing how to use an abacus.

I think it's useful for being able to read old documents. My parents and grandparents wrote only in cursive and I'm finding I have to read their writing to younger people who can't read it.

I am not sure learning how to read cursive is very hard and teaching that may still be a good thing to do. Learning how to write it seems the difficult part though considering most people who do not know how to write cursive can read it just fine.

Note: Some cursive is much easier to read than others

Re: How the Ballpoint Pen Killed Cursive

#58
post #6

I learned cursive writing in first grade in 1958 (in Detroit) and we were already using ballpoint pens. But the desks we used had working inkwells, emptied of the ink, so I'd guess the change was fairly recent because a few years later the inkwells had been removed just leaving big holes in the desks where they'd resided. The biggest thing back then was that I was left handed and the teachers forced me to write right…

My grandmother forced my left handed mother to do everything with her right hand, including write. Now she writes with either hand :)

Re: How the Ballpoint Pen Killed Cursive

#59
post #30

I've almost exclusively used fountain pens for about 5 years now, and it's been amazing. Modern fountain pens don't generally leak much, and they are SO much better to write with than a basic Bic/generic ballpoint. The primary difference is that you don't have to push down at all which saves your hand from a huge amount of stress after a long writing session. I really don't understand why more people don't use them t…

how would you compare them with Gel Rollerballs ? [1] I am partial to the Parker rollerball refills - I use a Parker Chinese Laque Ambre - but do not want the inconvenience of a fountain pen. I believe a rollerball is like the Nespresso to the fountain pen's espresso. Slightly worse - but much better than ball point pens. But the best part that I like about rollerballs is how you can get an expensive experience in a…

I think your analogy is pretty good. I usually have a few loose g2s with me in case I run out of fountain pen ink in class. I find that gel pens sometimes make globs of ink, and that the lines aren't as nice as my FPs, but the writing experience is similar.

I do like the solid weight and feel of my fountain pens though, which is often lacking in rollerballs. The weight of the pen is the only thing that holds it against the paper the way I write, so light pens can be annoying.

Re: How the Ballpoint Pen Killed Cursive

#60
post #53

I say good riddance. Leave it to people who make a job out of it. We should admit it and move on, removing stuck bits of handwriting from where it doesn't belong anymore. I personally never liked writing on paper, it was ugly and time-consuming; I would never be able to express myself on paper: I'll compress the meaning away or just quit halfway through.

I have yet to find diagramming software that lets me express myself faster than a couple of quick doodles on a piece of paper. I find myself loathing to explain something with a "simple" chart that can take 5 minutes to draw by hand but far more on a computer.

I just use my finger on my tablet. The app recognizes my skewed lines and transforms them into regular forms and connections. Then I can easily export to SVG and finish it up on the computer.
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