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Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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Post by michaelt »

onion2k wrote: post #35
_pmf_ wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Google's reasoning for the move is largely performance-based, apparently" Yeah, because WebGL never crashes the browser (not even the kind of small demos that seems to be all it's used for).

I've been developing WebGL content for the past 18 months and, so far, it hasn't crashed from any WebGL issues. And that's with my code which is pretty awful most of the time.

My home computer has been fine, but my work computer has a bunch of browser-crashing problems. I've raised bug reports, but unfortunately that means coordinating a bug report between between the website, the browser, the graphics drivers, and the graphics card manufacturer.

Unfortunately the abstraction layers aren't yet good enough that something stable on nvidia will be stable on ati :)

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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Post by pjmlp »

dredmorbius wrote: post #50
pjmlp wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but you can only do that in systems with access to DNS resolution. Tablets, mobile phones and computer systems as normal user, no such luck.

Rooted Android works. You can swap the /etc/hosts file. Plugins such as uBlock Origin should allow for adding hosts to blocklists.

Not an option for 99% of the users.

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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Post by leni536 »

ars wrote: post #12
kuschku wrote: post #5

> "essential" Flash content (such as embedded video players) are allowed to automatically run, while non-essential Flash content, much of that being advertisements, will be automatically paused. Can’t we just throw out all flash?

> Can’t we just throw out all flash? Way too much stuff needs it. For example fun little browser games. For example http://www.kongregate.com/ http://www.miniclip.com/ http://www.friv.com/ At least in my browser (Firefox on Linux) flash plays better than html5 for video.

Can't we just decouple flash from the browser and sandbox it heavily to play these games? Most of these don't need interaction with the page that they are embedded on. Sure these sites have to shift their profile somewhat, they are already on a sinking ship though.

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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Post by sspiff »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #23
phamilton wrote: post #15

For anyone interested in the definition of "essential", see the source code: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src.git/+/master/... (See constants) and https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src.git/+/master/... (See ShouldThrottleContent) TLDR, essential content is either: 1) On the same domain as the page 2) Considered "Large" (at least 298 x 398, certain aspect ratio, minimum total area), with an exce…

The only other regular 'tiny content' thing I can think of is ZeroClipboard (which puts an invisible flash movie over a button so you can click 'copy') as Javascript clipboard actions still aren't broadly supported [2]. ZeroClipboard is used by Github and lots of other sites for the little buttons next to repo URLs, etc. 1 - https://github.com/zeroclipboard/zeroclipboard 2 - http://caniuse.com/#search=clipboard

Erm, can I use reports only Android So why do we need Flash for clipboard actions today?

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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Post by pjmlp »

Aissen wrote: post #59
pjmlp wrote: post #22

I can already disable flash ads. Good luck disabling HTML 5 ads without browser plugins support.

Have you heard of Firefox for Android ? It supports browser plugins and uBlock Origin runs really well here.

I was speaking in general for everyone. I can deal with the issues myself.

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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Post by skrause »

ablation wrote: post #32

I hope that Google takes the next, bigger step and kills its YouTube Flash player. The HTML5 one is superior in almost every way and so many browsers now support HTML5[1]. It would be a really meaningful statement. This is just a bit 'meh'. [1] http://html5readiness.com/

The HTML5 player has been the default on YouTube since January: http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/27/7926001/youtube-drops-flas...

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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Post by snowybio »

stevenh wrote: post #49
ablation wrote: post #32

I hope that Google takes the next, bigger step and kills its YouTube Flash player. The HTML5 one is superior in almost every way and so many browsers now support HTML5[1]. It would be a really meaningful statement. This is just a bit 'meh'. [1] http://html5readiness.com/

Google has forced me to use YouTube with the HTML5 player for months now. There isn't an option anywhere to switch back to the Flash player. I thought this change was universal, but you seem to be suggesting it's not. Did I wind up trapped in the less friendly part of an A/B test?

I use this Firefox add-on to toggle between the flash and the HTML5 player: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/youtube-flash...

I don't know if there is a similar addon for Chrome.

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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Post by Menge »

EarthLaunch wrote: post #68

Embrace, extend, extinguish? I remember when Chrome first integrated Flash into its browser rather than requiring it to be a separate install.

> Embrace, extend, extinguish?

Only the 3rd properly applies to Chrome and Flash. Chrome didn't embrace an API they could extend; they shipped a plugin providing an ~ABI of a foreign/closed API then still had to make atomic decisions like this one.

Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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Post by [deleted] »

sspiff wrote: post #74
michaelbuckbee wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only other regular 'tiny content' thing I can think of is ZeroClipboard (which puts an invisible flash movie over a button so you can click 'copy') as Javascript clipboard actions still aren't broadly supported [2]. ZeroClipboard is used by Github and lots of other sites for the little buttons next to repo URLs, etc. 1 - https://github.com/zeroclipboard/zeroclipboard 2 - http://caniuse.com/#search=clipboard

Erm, can I use reports only Android So why do we need Flash for clipboard actions today?

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Re: Chrome will begin pausing many Flash ads by default on September 1

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Post by HazonS »

Taking Flash away is always a good new for privacy and security :) Anyway, is not sufficient.

Why would google take a good but not sufficient approach?

IMO because of marketing issues: get some hackers and tech savvy people to evangelize that they are improving their privacy issues. I suppose google doesn't need flash/super cookies, "so lets take them out, we look good, and we still have the same entropy to get to know the user"

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