Does this Tesla S still overheat on a lap of Nürburgring?
Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System
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Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System
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Just an aside that raw 0-60 time is probably not the kind of driving performance you're buying a BMW for.
If you care about 0-60 time, you're probably getting a Corvette ZR1 or a Hellcat. If you want something with more than a Cobalt interior, a BMW or Lexus. If you want top of the line with bleeding edge tech, you get a Tesla. Disclaimer: Tesla investor.
the "top of the line bleeding edge" is a porsche 918, not a tesla. p85's are nice but let's not kid ourselves here.
Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System
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i punch it at full throttle to 65mph every time i use an on-ramp. i bought a performance car to use it as advertised. perfectly legal, and appropriate, when traffic permits. in fact, if you don't, you're probably a shitty driver and need to learn how to merge. when you're merging into a river of steel doing 80mph and you're doing 45 because you're watching the consumption meter on your hybrid, you're an asshole.
you must live in the bay area...
Highways here don't go at 65, let alone 80.
Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System
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The P85D is, no question, stupendously fast 0-60. But is that really all you care about when driving a car? I recently was shopping for a performance car and the Tesla was never even a consideration because of all the other limitations (range, charging availability, etc). As something to show off with, the Tesla wows and amazes people. As a car to drive on a daily basis, I think it is too compromised.
Do you drive more than 250 miles in a day on a regular basis? When you do drive that far, do you do it on routes that aren't covered by Tesla's Supercharger network? As a daily driver, the Tesla is easier to deal with than a normal car. With a normal car, you have to worry about how much gas you have, when and where you'll stop to fill up, etc. My Model S is full in the morning every time. For trips that exceed the r…
>"With a normal car, you have to worry about how much gas you have, when and where you'll stop to fill up"
Okay, people might exaggerate "range anxiety" on the Teslas. But you're definitely reaching here: when and where to fill up a gasoline car? How about 24 hours a day on almost any street corner in the country. Running out of fuel isn't even on the radar.
Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System
#105I get that the Tesla is awesome, but it seems pretty frigging ridiculous that to give a car 103 out of 100 when it only has a range of 200 miles.
How ridiculous would it be for a car company to give you a lifetime unlimited supply of gasoline along with the purchase of your car? Absolutely ridiculous. Guess what? That's exactly what Tesla does. http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger Unlike gas cars, you start off with 200 miles of range EVERY MORNING since you charge overnight. Most Americans also only drive an average of 40 miles a day. And for those long tr…
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Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you care about 0-60 time, you're probably getting a Corvette ZR1 or a Hellcat. If you want something with more than a Cobalt interior, a BMW or Lexus. If you want top of the line with bleeding edge tech, you get a Tesla. Disclaimer: Tesla investor.
the "top of the line bleeding edge" is a porsche 918, not a tesla. p85's are nice but let's not kid ourselves here.
Oh come on now. I can fit my entire family in a Model S (with luggage) and still do 0-60 on 2.8 seconds. That is, by definition, bleeding edge.
At this point a Porsche is a glorified garage queen.
EDIT: A Porsche 918 MSRP is almost $845K and it's only 0.6 seconds faster than the Model S (P85D). They've made less than 1000 units.
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I'm a fan of "fastest Laguna Seca Lap". But I know a bunch of "American Muscle" guys who only care about 0-60. But I prefer statistics that include a combination of good turns, tight handling, AND strong acceleration. Tesla performs horribly on Laguna Lap, but so do all the American Muscle cars. You basically need a low-weight car with high acceleration to do well. Other raceway times are also interesting. But that's…
The list, if anyone's looking for it http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html
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Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System
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I'm a Tesla fan but the 7 series still wins in "recharge" time.
Well, that depends. Are you counting the sum of all of the time you spend waiting for the car to recharge/refill? If so, and if you're a typical driver, then the Tesla wins. In an average month, you might spend a total of 15 minutes gassing up your car, and zero minutes charging your Tesla (because it's charging while you sleep). On road trips, it will depend on how well charging stops coincide with bathroom/meal/cof…
I understand that argument and the stats suggest most people don't need to charge on the road aside from road trips. By the time the Model S would need charged I'd be ready for a 30 minute break anyway. I still have range anxiety when my commute (before going remote) was a minimum of 120 miles per day. I'm not sure how accurate the 200 mile number is to know if it would be enough.
Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System
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When it comes to in-car controls, you want to be able to use them without taking your eyes off the road. To this end, knobs that you can grasp for and feel the current setting are great. Knobs without a tactile indication of the current setting are OK, as you can find them without looking and only glance down to see that you are selecting the appropriate setting. Buttons are worse because you have to glance down to f…
I have to say I agree. We have a car made in 2000, it has knobs and dials for everything, you can configure the AC/heat completely without looking at it after some familiarity with the controls. The radio you can configure the station and volume without looking. We also own a Prius made in 2014. They've either turned everything into a flat button, or worse it requires the touch screen to configure. And while the Priu…
I definitely prefer knob and large button like those from a 2007, 2008 base model family sedan without a screen. But some times you need touch screen for this or that kind of extra feature. So my personal favorite system so far are iDrive and the new mazda system which let you control functions on a screen with a button/knob and preserve temp and volume control as separate knobs. BTW the worst system I've used are the ones which don't have usable physical button and doesn't let you complete your task fast in the touch screen. Yes I'm talking about you, Ford and Cadillac. And Mercedes, it's 2015 and you still have a dial pad in the center console, what's going on?
Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you drive more than 250 miles in a day on a regular basis? When you do drive that far, do you do it on routes that aren't covered by Tesla's Supercharger network? As a daily driver, the Tesla is easier to deal with than a normal car. With a normal car, you have to worry about how much gas you have, when and where you'll stop to fill up, etc. My Model S is full in the morning every time. For trips that exceed the r…
> "With a normal car, you have to worry about how much gas you have, when and where you'll stop to fill up " Okay, people might exaggerate "range anxiety" on the Teslas. But you're definitely reaching here: when and where to fill up a gasoline car? How about 24 hours a day on almost any street corner in the country. Running out of fuel isn't even on the radar.
I drove gas cars for about two decades, and owned them for about one decade. I've only been doing the EV thing for about half a year. So it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about here.
No, it's not a particularly big deal, but it's a constant low-level refrain. If I'm leaving in the morning for something time-sensitive, do I have to build an extra ten minutes into my schedule for a gas stop? What if I haven't been paying attention and discover fuel is running low when I'm on the highway and the next exit is in 20 miles? What if I pick the wrong street corner and get gouged? (The closest gas station to my house charges $2.49/gallon right now. While driving this morning I passed a station not too far away that charges $3.49/gallon.)
Filling up your gas car from time to time is not difficult. But it is something you have to think about from time to time. If you don't think about it, you'll occasionally find yourself having to make an unscheduled stop somewhere. It's small but non-zero. An EV is easier.
I don't think it's a particularly big deal. It's a nice convenience to have, but it wouldn't make or break the decision for buying a car. But I think it's a useful counterpoint to people who talk about how difficult or inconvenient charging is. 99% of the time it is easier than gas.